Re: IDPA question

"Herbert Cannon" <hcannon18@xxxxxxx> wrote in
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# No way it could be useful to practice
# # moving fast and shooting accurately, shooting while the adrenaline
# is # pumping, shooting moving targets, shooting from behind cover,
# etc.
#
# If you read what I wrote I believe I said some of that is just what
# you should practice.

Why, why, that sounds like it IPSC/IDPA/etc might be useful after all!

# Naw,
# # none of that would be useful, because there's no such thing as
# muscle # memory or conditioned responses.
#
# Some of those muslce memory responses are exactly why they can be
# dangerous. Dropping half loaded mags, lack of scanning ( IPSC gaming)
# running the gun dry ( IDPA gaming), failing to move, using holsters
# that are not in every day carry. etc. You have to distinguish between
# the right ones and the wrong ones. You can shoot the match as a
# martial artist or as a competitor; but not as both.

I guess the diference between us is that I assume the other prticipants
in the conversation are reasonably intelligent adults. I assume they are
inteligent enough to realize that shooting a match is not EXACTLY like
being mugged or carjacked by armed assailants. I assume that no one
expects any given training to be a magic bullet, making the invulnerable.
I don't find it necessary to pound my chest and insist someone else's
trauining isn't good enough because it isn't as rigorous as my training.
Given the number of people who buy a gun and never practice at all, I
think people who shoot matches are getting ahead of the game.

# # I guess that's kind of like why basketball teams never run laps, run
# # drills, or play one on one because none of that is like regulation
# play. # Granted, it might develop basic skills hone your reaction time
#
# Basket ball teams also play a lot of practice games and scrimmage a
# ton. We cannot shoot each other. You are now comparing apples and
# oranges.

Hardly. Just like not every basketball practice has to be a full length
game against another team, not every part of gun training has to be full
combat. Matches help develp skills, and put you in the company of
shooters with a range of skills who can offer advice. In my book that's a
good thing, and is good training for real lfe. Is it 100% of everything
you might need to defend yourself on a par with a Special Unit veteran?
No, of course not. But taht doesn't mean its not useful or good practice.

# Look I understand that, if the match skills are all that you have,
# you are
# considerable better off than Joe Blow, who has nothing.

Glad we agree.

# I do not
# discourage people from shooting them.

You could have fooled me.

#Quite the opposite. I encourage
# people to do so. I want people to have those skills. The issue here
# is honing those skills to a higher level and how to do so.

Was that the issue? Some guy is asking about buying a gun to compete in
IDPA, and a comment is made about IDPA vs IPSC, and you think the issue
is how to achienve the highest posible level of training? You don't think
the question is "what is a fun and inexpensive way to enjoy my gun and
learn/hone a few useful skills in the process?"

# # # Ignore the timer if you want
# # # training for real life. With the timer it becomes a track meet and
# not # # training for real life.
# # # Go to tactical schools that teach the techniques.
# #
# # You know, I've taken a tactical training course,
#
# I commend you for that. However, you cannot make a garden with one
# rose. Take some more. Take all you can. Each one will teach a lot. And
# they are fun!!

Like many shooters, shooting and self defense and important, but not the
most important things in my life. My wife, my business, my kids, my other
hobbies, politics, etc all compete for my time. While I hope to take
another class at some point, it isn't the thing that gets me out of bed
in the morning.




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