Re: Undead Persistence, wording of optional press

On Jun 3, 6:03 pm, "Frederick Scott" <nos...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
<nyst...@xxxxxx> wrote in messagenews:65df3704-fb14-479f-bc37-61e31d7f991a@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On Jun 3, 10:49 am, "Frederick Scott" <nos...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I was arguing to drop the near meaningless and hard-to-
express exception to the end of combat because it can easily be
confused for that clause.  Basically, if that clause doesn't turn
Undead Persistence into superior Conquer the Beast, then let's get
rid of the clause altogether so no OTHER gaming groups accidentally
turn inferior Undead Persistence into superior Conquer the Beast (because
they're ignorant and mostly because they'd NEVER SUSPECT IN A MILLION
YEARS that people would waste any ink on such a nit :-P  ).

The problem, basically, is that because it contains language similar
to "Trap" and "Conquer the Beast", people assume it does the same
thing.  They fail to read it closely, and read in a clause that is not
there.

Well, it isn't _only_ that, no.  It's also because it's a natural thing
for people to expect that if the designers bothered to write so many words,
there was a good reason.  It tends to surprise people to have so much
bother made over such a minor nit.  

In order for them to know that there is "no good reason" for the
clause -- in order for them to know that it is merely a "minor nit" --
not only do they need to be familiar with "Trap" and "Conquer the
Beast", but they also need to be familiar with virtually every other
press-granting effect in the game. They have to know, for instance,
that Meat Hook has been fixed to grant a press only once per combat.

Currently, the combat-ending clause has minimal significance, and will
have effect only in corner cases. This could change with the printing
of the next expansion.

As I said, read by itself, the card is just not that confusing. It
confused you, because you knew too much.
.

Relevant Pages

  • Re: Undead Persistence, wording of optional press
    ... if that clause doesn't turn ... Undead Persistence into superior Conquer the Beast, ... just isn't that confusing. ...
    (rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad)
  • Re: Undead Persistence, wording of optional press
    ... if that clause doesn't turn ... Undead Persistence into superior Conquer the Beast, ... they would have had to have seen it on another card. ... As I said, read by itself, the card is just not that confusing. ...
    (rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad)
  • Re: Undead Persistence, wording of optional press
    ... "Conquer the Beast") has the exact same clause. ... cannot end a trapped combat that would not have ended anyway. ... Put this card in play and put 7 counters on this card. ...
    (rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad)
  • Re: Undead Persistence, wording of optional press
    ... if that clause doesn't turn ... Undead Persistence into superior Conquer the Beast, ... It tends to surprise people to have so much ...
    (rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad)
  • Re: [python] using try: finally: except
    ... >> it still confusing even though the order of execution changed ... a 'finally' clause had to be the last clause in a ... The finally clause is to finalise code in the try block. ...
    (comp.lang.python)