Re: Yet more crypt cards

LSJ wrote:
> MathiasTCK wrote:
> > The Lasombra wrote:
> >>Because two weeks from now your post that has no context will be
> >>completely worthless as far as understanding any topic of discussion.
> >
> > How is it worthless if any user can just view one message up in the
> > tree to see what they are responding to?
>
> Faulty premise -- it is not true that "any user" can just "view up"
> one message in the tree.
Virtually all user's have a choice in what reader they user, right?
>
> ATM (since I am reading and posting via my personal ISP's news server),
> I cannot "view up" the whole tree for this conversation, for example.
Eek, that sounds like a big drawback to your reader.
>
> >>Every post should be able to stand on its own, and be understood.
> >
> > Yeah that's what I'm asking, why can't we expect people to be able to
> > view one step up in the tree?
>
> Because that's not how USENET works.
>
> It's how Google works.

I have to admit, it's been a long time since I used a newsgroup reader
that wasn't google, is google the only one that allows you to easily
navigate a tree, I recall otherwise but perhaps I am mistaken.

>
> USENET (for which Google offers a gateway and an archive, but doesn't
> replace) is a medium for transmission and *temporary* storage of "posts"
> (basically a grown-up mailing list with slight latency and retention
> add-ons).
>
> See also replying to email.
> Just because you can see the whole conversation (because you're using gmail,
> for example) doesn't mean the recipient can (even if his email address
> ends in "@gmail.com"). Or that the onus for digging out context should
> fall on the recipient rather than the sender, even if he does have the
> ability.
>
> That's why gmail includes context by default, and why google groups
> should as well.
>
> But just because google groups has a shortcoming in that regard doesn't
> mean you have to accept it -- you can quote context with a slight bit
> of additional effort.

The thing is, this really sounds to me like people saying, my reader
doesn't provide a service for me, so I'm asking you to do it for me.
Could I not make the same argument, and every time someone complains
about this issue, instead of telling them to quote a response, instead
tell them to switch readers?

>
> > I think anything that creates a barrier to entry is bad for a group.
>
> True, but this convention does not create a barrier to entry.
>
> > Any unnecessary rule is bad, etc.
>
> True, but the convention is not unnecessary.

But it's only necessary as long as people use readers that make it
difficult to view a parent post, right?

-Mercuriel

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