Re: Patching... What's next?

On 2007-12-02, Potman <juho.pohjalainen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 2007-12-02 16:31:26, Derek Ray <derek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I suspect everyone assumed that someone would read the file named "README".
Yes, but this one's named "INSTALL".

The README file tells you to read the INSTALL file.

Then all didn't go well. What didn't go well? What part of the
directions failed or produced an unexpected result?
No idea, because the last time everything did seem to go well: No errors and
all.

Except, of course, that there's no binary in /binary -- so clearly
something didn't actually go well. It may not actually be directly visible
in the command prompt window, but then, it might also be and just hidden behind
scrollback somewhere.

If I were you, I'd reread Install.nt and make sure you've followed all
the steps as appropriate for your setup.
I did. Still no errors. Still doesn't work.

All three of these statements cannot be true.

See, I _have_ a working Windows compile for Spork, using mingw. And
I've compiled it with Visual Studio's NMAKE as well. And when I set it
up long, long ago, the Nethack Install.NT directions worked for me in
both cases.

Are you familiar with what a patch even _is_ in the first place?
Yes, but at this point, I'm willing to try anything, no matter if it's likely to
work or not.

That wasn't really my point, and if you don't try things that are likely
to work, then you may mess stuff up to a point where even the things
that _are_ likely to work won't fix the problem.

Yeah it's getting pretty creepy at this point: I'm doing everything as
instructed, reading every single file and text carefully, and still anything
doesn't work.

See above. I am highly dubious that you are doing everything correctly.
If you were, it would work. Slash'EM _does_ compile on Windows.

And then I come here to ask for help and none of you can do
anything else than to question my intelligence, and that I'm still doing
something wrong.

It's a computer. Computers do exactly what they're told, and no more.

The Nethack version of those instructions is correct, and works if you
follow the steps, in my experience. This is Slash'EM, so while I cannot
be 100% certain that the instructions remain correct, I am highly dubious
that they are wrong somehow; I'd be surprised if they were even different.

Which of these do you think is more likely?

1) you're doing everything correctly and it's not working for you because
the instructions are wrong

2) you're doing everything correctly and there's a mysterious ghost in
your machine (or whatever) that causes it to fail

3) you're not doing something right

So apparently the computer does everything correctly,
because it doesn't get error messages.

This is not a valid assumption; sometimes, things fail without an error
message. And depending on what you're doing and how you're doing it
(something we can't know because we aren't looking over your shoulder),
you may not see the error message; witness earlier in this thread, for
example.

I think the latter circumstance (that there is an error message which you
are not seeing) is far more likely, personally.

And I'm doing everything correctly,

I am still dubious about this; nothing personal.

because I'm reading straight from an accurate help file. If it's not me,
and it's not the computer, what is it?

You haven't ruled out either of those possibilities yet.

--
Derek

Game info and change log: http://sporkhack.com
Beta Server: telnet://sporkhack.com
IRC: irc.freenode.net, #sporkhack
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