Re: Need Some Advice (Minor Spoilers)
- From: Jove <invalid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:15:49 GMT
On 17 Jan 2006 16:42:29 -0800, "MackTuesday" <mailbjl@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>Wow, thanks for all the great responses, everyone. I didn't expect
>such a turnout. =*]
>
Glad to help someone who listens.
>I don't mind being spoiled a little at a time -- some tricks would
>require many characters' lives' worth of experimentation to discover.
Definitely. But there are a *lot* of tricks. And not all
tricks will be needed in any one game. Maybe not even most
tricks.
>So if any of you would like to give more direct hints to the following
>questions, I'd really appreciate it:
You said hints so that's what I'm trying for. Be aware that
what seems like a complete, accurate and precise answer to you
can still just be a vague indication at everything involved in
the answer.
Yes, Nethack is that complicated. "A mile wide and a foot
deep" is how I've described it before.
And depending on how you've phrased the question and how well
it maps onto how Nethack does things the answer can easily be:
"Technically less but practically no."
>
>Apparently there is a connection between being confused and certain
>types of enchantment. What is it?
All scrolls act differently when read while confused. They
also tend to have different effects depending on their blessed/
uncursed/cursed status. Confused reading can interact with the
b/u/c status.
The confused effect can be more or less useful than the
unconfused effect. Or it can be just as useful, but in a
different situation than normal.
Full answer in ROT13 (Copy & Paste to <http://www.rot13.com>
to translate.):
Ernqvat n aba-phefrq fpebyy bs rapunag nezbe juvyr pbashfrq
jvyy ercnve ebggvat/pbeebfvba/sver qnzntr naq sver/ehfg/ebg/
pbeebqr-cebbs bar enaqbzyl fryrpgrq jbea cvrpr bs nezbe.
Ernqvat n PHEFRQ fpebyy bs QRFGEBL nezbe juvyr pbashfrq jvyy
sver/ehfg/ebg/pbeebqr-cebbs bar enaqbzyl fryrpgrq jbea cvrpr bs
nezbe. Ab ercnve vf cresbezrq.
For the whole story in all its 700+ lines of spoilerific glory
see:
<http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/nh/scrl-343.txt>
NB: Spoilers are not walkthroughs, they're not even guides.
They are (barely) human readable dumps of what the Nethack code
does. (The scroll spoiler is one of the more readable ones,
imho.)
(I've posted before that a single Nethack spoiler probably has
more data than most commercial game walkthroughs, but in one
indigestible lump.)
Deducing the best way to play the game from reading spoilers
is difficult. Your first attempt to answer your own question
using spoilers will damage your mind.
NB: There are 34 other spoilers linked at:
<http://www.spod-central.org/~psmith/nh/>
And that's not all the spoilers for Nethack by any means.
>
>Is there a way to protect against polymorph traps that doesn't require
>a lucky find? (Since yesterday I have discovered that among my rings I
>had polymorph control and searching.)
Yes.
(Copy & Paste into <http://www.rot13.com>)
Pbzzba crgf unir n abgvpnoyr ernpgvba jura nqwnprag gb n genc
bs nal fbeg. (Orngf frnepuvat nyy ubyybj.)
Cynl nf n jvmneq.
Fbzr nyvtazragf unir n tbbq punapr gb trg fbzrguvat gb uryc.
Bgure punenpgre pynffrf ner thnenagrrq (vs gurl fheivir sne
rabhtu vagb gur tnzr) gb trg na vgrz thnenagrrq gb cebgrpg
ntnvafg cbyl gencf, nzbat bgure guvatf.
Nobhg unys-jnl guebhtu gur tnzr vf n jnl gb trg n srj bs nal
glcr bs vgrz lbh jnag.
>
>If my stash becomes engulfed, will whacking the engulfer damage my
>stuff?
Nope. It could end up with your character being damaged
severely though.
>
>I also discovered yesterday that I shouldn't ever put a bag of tricks
>inside a blessed bag. Do I correctly recall that there will be no
>problem if the containing bag is merely uncursed?
No, you don't recall correctly. Blessed/uncursed/cursed status
has nothing to do with you willfully destroying your most
precious possessions. ;^D
>Are there any other
>items I want to keep outside a blessed bag?
Oh, yes, and not just items that could destroy the bag and
its contents.
Since you didn't ask what the other items are, they follow
encoded in ROT13. (Copy & paste to <http://www.rot13.com>
for translation.):
OHP bs gur ont bs ubyqvat vf vzzngrevny. Chggvat n
ont bs ubyqvat qverpgyl vafvqr nabgure ont bs ubyqvat qrfgeblf
obgu ontf naq gurve pbagragf. (Gurer ner jnlf gb erqhpr gur
punapr bs na rkcybfvba, ohg erdhver ybgf bs n pregnva cvrpr
bs rdhvczrag.) Chggvat punetrq jnaqf bs pnapryngvba be punetrq
ontf bs gevpxf vagb n ont bs ubyqvat, qvggb. (qvggb.)
Bgure vgrzf lbh pnag gb xrrc bhgfvqr bs n ont bs ubyqvat
boivbhfyl vapyhqr lbhe znva jrncba, jbea nezbe, rgp. Fbzr
rzretrapl vgrzf fubhyq or xrcg bhgfvqr gur obu. Gurer ner
bgure vgrzf fgvyy lbh jnag gb xrrc bhgfvqr bs gur obu gb
erirefr naablvat/sehfgengvat rssrpgf lbh'yy rapbhagre yngre va
gur tnzr.
>Can you push boulders while levitating?
Nope. Lbh pna gryrcbeg gurz.
>
>What's the deal with smoky/swirly/cloudy potions?
They may contain something other than a liquid. i.e.
something else comes out of the flask instead of the
potion you may be in dire need of. This can be good
or bad.
Fzbxl cbgvbaf znl pbagnva n qwvaav gung vf eryrnfrq jura lbh
gel gb dhnss gur cbgvba. (AO: Lbh qba'g trg gur rssrpg bs gur
cbgvba.) Gur qwvaav znl or ubfgvyr, crnprshy, be tengrshy.
Tengrshy qwvaav jvyy tenag lbh n jvfu. Gur punapr bs n qwvaav
cebqhprq va fhpu n znaare orvat tengrshy vf uvturfg vs gur cbgvba
jnf oyrffrq.
Zvyxl(?) cbgvbaf znl pbagnva n tubfg. Vs fb, lbh qba'g trg gur
rssrpgf bs gur cbgvba naq ner "sebmra va srne" sbe n fubeg gvzr.
(Hfhnyyl whfg ybat rabhtu sbe fbzrguvat arneol gb xvyy lbh.)
>
>I imagine that barbarians wouldn't be very good at writing, say, a
>spellbook of identify.
Probably.
>Is there anything I should know before
>attempting this?
It's probably not worth trying.
Gur bqqf ner yrff guna svsgl creprag vs lbh qba'g xabj gur
fcryy bs vqragvsl. Gur bqqf ner hfhnyyl pybfr gb mreb, ohg pna
or vzcebirq gb fbzrguvat yvxr bar va guerr.
>Is there a spellbook flavor a barbarian should prefer
>to write or obtain?
Sort of. Nyy punenpgre pynffrf unir n "fcrpvny fcryy" juvpu
vf rnfvre sbe gurz gb pnfg. Gung fcryy vf abg nyjnlf hfrshy.
Sbe oneonevnaf vg'f "unfgr frys," juvpu V yvxr ohg vf bgurejvfr
hacbchyne. Lbh qb abg trg n obahf jura gelvat gb jevgr gur fcryy
vs lbh qba'g xabj vg.
>
>"At this point it's not clear whether you want to work on uncursing
>stuff. There's a way to do it for free if you put in the effort. Free
>as in a lot of effort but no persistant items." Does it involve
>prayer?
>
Yep. ROT13: Ba n pb-nyvtarq nygne, pneelvat va bcra vairagbel
rirelguvat lbh jnag haphefrq. Vg'f bayl n cebonovyvgl, naq gung
cebonovyvgl pna or vzcebirq ol rkgerzryl fcbvyl rfbgrevp zrnaf.
>Is there a way to drag uncarriable monsters, specifically to altars?
>
Technically, no. There are ways of getting the monster
carcass onto the altar by other means.
ROT13 again: Fcryy/jnaq bs "ghea haqrnq" ba n pbecfr tvirf lbh
gur punapr gb er-xvyy gur zbafgre ba gur nygne. Lbh nyzbfg
pregnvayl unir n orggre hfr sbe fhpu jnaq punetrf.
Now, how many of the ROT13 sections did you *not* translate &
read?
--
Nethack IS easy, if you play it the right way.
Try killing things from a distance.
All the best,
Jove
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