Re: LambdaRogue v0.3 (gamma 1)

zaimoni@xxxxxxxxxxx schrieb:
Besides, you're free to remap the keys. The default config file is
optimized for notebooks without numpad - so 789uiojkl emulate a numpad
and "n" the numpad "enter".

But what proportion of notebooks without numpad do *not* provide this
emulation anyway? [I don't know offhand; I'm curious as to why
explicitly coding it is practical.]

The standard emulation of numpad on Notebooks is that you have to press a key called "Fn" if you want to access the emulated keys. If you don't press "Fn", you access the standard keys. If you enable NumLock, you can access the emulated numpad without pressing "Fn" - but you won't be able to use the standard keys (including "u") then.

So regardless which way of standard numpad emulation you go, you have to press an additional key very often - either by using "Fn" or by continous switching between NumLock on and NumLock off.

And NO, Vi-Keys are no alternative for me.

Any of SHIFT-backspace, CTRL-backspace, or ALT-backspace would be
reasonable without flouting what every other program does.

When I press SHIFT-backspace, CTRL-backspace and ALT-backspace in my text editor, it always deletes only one char. So it _would_ behave in another way than other programs.

[This is also the problem with ENTER as the use key, period.]

Why? Enter is far better to reach than any other key, perhaps except the SPACE key. If you use a real numpad, you don't even need to move your hands off the numpad to play the whole game.



<frustration on>

This whole discussion took already place nearly two years ago. Sometimes I have the feeling that some people tend to refuse any unusual concepts just because they're unusual. Just to think a little about the ideas behind the concepts and perhaps see that they may make sense seems impossible - it is bad because it's non-standard, "period".

Where is the problem to adapt to a new concept? Especially when it's so simple that it consists of "forget about keys, just press Enter". I could see the point of your nitpicking if I would force you to use a totally complicated system, but instead it's one of the easiest way to handle a roguelike - except mouse control, perhaps.

If I could, I would program LambdaRogue to use a console-style controller (in fact, this shouldn't be so hard at all).

Of course, if you LIKE to memorize keys you will always criticize ANY approach which works with as less keys as possible.

However, I'm already underway to replace other keys with ENTER, too, e.g. the [t]alk key and the [g]et key. I just need a way to assure that multiple possibilities of meaning in a situation can be handled well.

</frustration off>
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