Re: Champion of Neutrality (Was: Talents)
- From: "Pavel Mencik" <pmencik@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:51:18 +0100
>>
>> "I'll note, though I don't expect it to do any good, that I might be
>> marginally less offended if you didn't insist on referring to your
>> work of plagiarism as "Improved". If you called it, say, the
>> "Alternative Guidebook", then that would negate one of the arguments
>> I and others have made against it in the past. (One of the more minor
>> ones, but the point remains.)"
>>
>> So it would not do *any* good, just *you* will be *marginally* less
>> offended, as it would negate *one minor* argument. Sorry that's not a
>> good bargain.
>
> I didn't want to overstate the case. Making such a small change will
> obviously not accomplish big things; it would, however, accomplish
> *something*, which is better than nothing. (And I obviously can't speak
> for the reactions of anyone other than myself; there is no way I can say
> for certain whether or not anyone else would be less offended. They
> might, but they might not. All I can say is that *I* would.)
>
> And the "don't expect it to do any good" was referring not to the change
> I was suggesting, but to the suggestion itself; I didn't expect you to
> follow the suggestion. As indeed you haven't.
>
> It is necessary (for some values of necessity) to understand that I was
> starting from the position that "you have shown yourself to be immune to
> reason and courtesy, so no interaction with you can be expected to
> produce any good result"; from that perspective, even considering that
> you *might* accept any kind of compromise is a concession. I don't like
> holding that kind of position (which is why I was willing to make the
> concession), but all of the evidence so far has seemed to support it,
> and I only give so much leeway.
>
>> Honestly, you need *a lot* more diplomacy skills, perhaps learn
>> something from Darren.
>
> I know that I'm not as good at things like that as I used to be, and I
> rather regret the fact. Still, given that you had in the past and have
> since demonstrated absolutely no willingness to shift your position one
> iota, I'm not sure my voiced dubiety (hah! a word I never knew before!
> SCORE!) was unjustified.
>
>> (I don't say I'm any better than you, consider this just a remark and
>> advice, if your intentions were really that innocent)
>
> <sigh> Acknowledged. Not that I necessarily should, given that you've
> rejected all of the suggestions and advice I've offered, but I suppose
> the point is just as good regardless of where it comes from.
>
> And now, this will be my final post on the subject, at least in this
> iteration of the war - unless you decide to actually give a little,
> which seems no more likely than ever.
>
I don't need you to continue anymore, just to correct what you have written:
you offered *one* not very reasonable suggestion, which would produce next
to nothing, in terms of shifting positions related to IGB. To say
afterwards, that I rejected *all* of the suggestions and advices you have
offered, is completely exaggerating. Some know I agreed to a whole lot of
concessions in the past, given reasonable suggestions and advices (for those
new or of short memory: IGB is called IGB not Andy William's Guidebook, all
changes are listed, its webpage does not contain any banner, it is not
available for online browsing, it contains corrected copyright notices and
titles on every page)
.
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