Re: EM guys, need a little ball bowler help

On Mar 15, 1:33 pm, djcharli...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
GOT IT DONE!!!!

It was the very last switch on the #8 pin relay. It was making contact
visually (and electricly when it felt like it), but I noticed that the
#8 relay hadn't moved on a shot. Cleaned and gave that switch a minor
adjustment, and BANG! All the scores are now 100% correct!

I found it by actually checking the entire bank after every rolled
ball... the part that had me stuck was that switch worked off and
on... I just got lucky and caught it by persistance! It messed up on a
shot in the tenth frame, where it had no choice but to point itself
out because of the extra shot.

Man, as my first adventure into EM land, I probably should have
started with a one player pin or something! ;-)

All's well that ends well.

Steve, you have my utmost respect and appreciation! Thanks for
sticking with me on this... couldn't have done it without you, and
probably would have made it worse instead of better.

Chuck E.

Thanks so much Steve.

On Mar 15, 11:48 am, Steve Yates <stevegoo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Mar 15, 12:22 pm, djcharli...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

I hope I can explain this so it makes sense...

If you get 6 pins on ball one (did this over and over) you get credit
for 6 after the second shot hits nothing. Any other combination, and
it comes up one pin short. Again, except on a strike, or a spare
followed by a strike.

Which 6 pins did you score?  I don't think it would score correctly
for every possible 6 pin combination.  Although, I think it may be
that the only way to get 6 pins down on these games is to leave just
the four pins down one diagonal, i.e. 1-2-4-7 or 1-3-6-10.  If both of
these score correctly, it is almost certainly your head pin that is
not being counted.  Check the switch on the #1 Relay and be sure it
closes when the pin is raised.  This should be a make-break switch,
with the NC side going to the coil on the relay itself, and the NO
side going to the score motor disc.

Here is another question... while inspecting my work on the score
motor, I noticed that the shaft the "fingers" go on aren't groved like
a stepper (giving you only two ways to put the fingers back on). I did
have a finger and spot on the side of the bakelight disk marked, but
is it possible that a slight out of alignment is doing all this?

Again, I'm uneducated guessing on that.

Having the fingers out of position could cause any number of strange
behaviors.  If you can verify the switch on the #1 is closing and
conducting, then you may want to check the finger allignment.  The #1
pin scoring is the first first in the pin scoring sequence, so if the
fingers are out of position, this rivet may not ge contacted while the
game is trying to count points.

You should be able to find a wire of the same color coming out of the
#1 Relay switch connected to the score motor disc.  On the Alamo, this
wire is Blue.  You can try to identify the rivet that wire is
connected too, and verify that the finger is not past that rivet when
at rest (and you probably don't want it on that rivet at that point
either).  You'll probably need to check the finger position after the
first ball has been rolled.  Hopefully the switch on the #1 Relay is
the issue and you won't have to even look at this disc, because there
are a lot of timing issue between the various contacts on the score
motor that are not obvious from the schematics, and I don't have a
bolwer that I can easily get at to check things.

I can't thank ya' enough for sticking with me on this Steve. Just that
#8 pin "buzz retract" fix has made my whole day better! Haven't had
that happen in more than a dozen test games.

No problem, I'm happy to help.

Steve Yates
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You're welcome Chuck.

Yeah there's a lot to look at in those ball bowlers, and the
intermittent problems are the worst.

I hope thing skeep working well for you!

Steve Yates
SteveY@xxxxxxxxxxx
http://REELpinball.com
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