Re: Pinball and counterfeit electronic components....


A friend of mine does this. He -charges- to haul away old computers... and hauls away lots of them. Heck, the State of Nebraska even -gave- him a truck to use for free to do this! Can't beat that!

Like you said -- many IC's from old Apples, etc are recycled and put back into market. It does cost him a lot to take care of old monitors, though. These can only go to a handful of recycling plants (he uses one in Colorado). Costs him a fortune to ship these off.

-- Ed



<Pinthetic@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:b0d820a7-ab1b-4860-a5c0-9ff37765df6f@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Unfortunately this is the brainchild of the SMT pushers. Cheap,
cheap, cheap! and more compact. This concept is the disposable nature
of things today. No one wants you to fix anything. End of story.

What's left? Hummmm.....getting someone to remake these is highly
unlikely, since it's only the repair industry that wants them. Low
quantities. Not much profit and it may keep you from purchasing that
new item they sell parts for because you're fixing the old one.

Old stock? Depleting fast. Prices high.

The last frontier, (if you don't mind me plagerizing Star Trek), E-
waste pulls. E-waste is being collected very quietly these days.
Companies that handle this stuff are quietly selling off the old
circuit boards to private companies/brokers that will be recirculating
these items at higher prices later. This is why E-waste collection is
free. They don't want you to catch on. You think you are getting rid
of useless junk that's a danger to the planet. In some cases it's
true, but there is a bigger picture.

They are two years into it now and have reaped huge benefits so far.
If you are curious you may have seen these double trailer trucks with
green E-waste bins loaded on them. They are packed full of everything
from monitors to TV's to industrial electronics. Hospital equipment
has always been a great source for me over the last 10 or so years for
Motorola 6800 support chips and tons of Eproms. This is now drying
up.

The inspector that comes to where I work and authorizes the purchase
of E-waste from the landfill insists that no one be allowed to salvage
the devices of chips, lcd displays, or laser optics whenever possible.
Now why would they say that?

The dumbing down of America continues.

Mario
Pinthetic



On Feb 21, 8:14 pm, "GPE" <GPE_NoS...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
"ArcadeForever" <Arcadefore...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Feb 20, 10:20 pm, "GPE" <GPE_NoS...@xxxxxxx> wrote:





> I just read an article on replacement IC's and transistors. Many of the
> formerly common IC's and transistors made in the 80's and 90's have been
> phased out during the past ten years. These formerly very common IC's
> include CPU's (such as 6800's and 6502's), peripheral IC's (such as > 6821's
> and 6532's) and a myriad of transistor types are now sought after
> by -thousands- of people in the repair field. This demand has been > noticed
> by the Chinese who are now heavily producing counterfeit components to
> sell
> to us 'low end' repair people...

> According to the article, it is now estimated that 8% percent of the > parts
> out there are now counterfeits and almost exclusively from China.

> It wouldn't be so bad if these parts actually worked... but, in most
> instances, the parts are duds and have been 'black painted' and remarked
> to
> whatever part number the customer asks for. In many instances -- there
> isn't even a die inside the IC!

> So, unfortunately, buyer beware when making IC and transistor > purchases...

> -- Ed

>Wow, thats pretty sad, do they forge the names of the real
>manufacturers on the IC too?

>Ive never run across any yet thankfully and I buy a lot from ebay, I
>guess I better test everything I get..

>thanks for the heads up.

>AF

Yep -- forged vendor names, forged vendor logo's, etc.
I have some very pretty Motorola MJ10000's which were sent to me from an
Aussie distributor. MJ10000's are the motor control transistors for
Hyperball.
These have the Motorola batwing logo, Motorola part number "MJ10000", made
in Mexico (of course, all these counterfeits seem to be made in Mexico) and
a date code of 0216 (16th week of 2002).
Problem is -- Motorola ceased existing in 1999 when it became On-Semi.
On-Semi's website said all parts would be marked with ON logo by 29th week
of 2000.

Same distributor sold me a ton of 2N3584's...which turned out to be all
counterfeits as well.
After much bitching, the distributor refunded my $$$.
I now only buy through proper channels and in several cases - factory
direct.

There's a website with a dedicated page to fake Rockwell IC's -- 6500
series. Seems a guy bought some 6500 series IC's from a well known arcade
parts seller (many of you here have heard of them but I won't go there as I
do not want to start a flame war... and the seller withdrew the parts
anyways). None of the parts worked for the creator of the website. Upon
closer inspection - he noticed all parts were marked identically with
Rockwell name and logo along with Rockwell part number and date code. All
parts had same date code. But, all parts had slight differences in plastic
body especially in pin 1 identification notch - not likely if all came from
same factory at same time.
He then noticed the very clean looking parts had actually been painted with
a flat black paint and then restamped.

... rather sad.
-- Ed- Hide quoted text -

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