Re: thanks for the great service rick(BAA), but the time has come...


Kyle Wren wrote:
> In article <1136070958.443599.79780@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Koz
> Pinlicious says...
>
> >well kyle, you don't know what the heck you are talking about AS USUAL.
> >WMS IS NOT SELLING THE RIGHTS TO MAKE PARTS ANYMORE. you call them up,
> >and they say their is nothing available for liscencing. so stick it in
> >your ear about, "put up or shut up crap". people have tried, and tried
> >long before wayne showed up. there were at least 3 people from this
> >very group that were trying to buy rights to make parts and were
> >unsuccessful because their is a bunch of *** that goes on that really
> >doesn't matter at this point. the fact is, we can't buy the rights to
> >*** and no-one is making ***. so stick it in your ear and hopefully
> >you hear it this time.
>
> Wouldn't this mean that the rights are already licensed to someone already? Or
> are you saying that there are no such thing as rights at all, and copyright and
> patents are just a figment of everyone's imagination?

what i am saying is that i, nor anyone esle, has the option to try and
get a liscence with wms. so so much for putting your money where your
mouth is quote, kyle. THAT is what i am saying. for some reason, they
chose to sell to these two clowns over parties with MUCH deeper pockets
and MUCH more pinball know how when it comes to this hobby. this is one
of the many reasons myself and others are saying screw tpf. he has NO
INTEREST in working with others, only stealing others hard work and
making all the money himself, which you seem to think is "his right".
in fact, he has stolen 2 peoples hard work, and remade products. one
was in artwork, the other in metal. don't worry kyle, i can't say what
is what now, but this angry man mentality you labled me with is very
true. i AM mad about my hobby being fucked with and i am annoyed that i
can spill the beans. (not yet anyway)

>
> So you are saying that Gene and Wayne have given money to WMS for no real
> reason? Well, that clears things up for me and makes perfect sense...

lets try to clear it up even more...

wayne says he wants to do business with people, BUT HE WON'T SHOW THEM
THE PAPERWORK THAT -SHOWS- HE OWNS THE RIGHTS TO REPRODUCE A SAID PART.
he is basically trying to stick people up with a hidden gun in his
pocket and won't show if it is a squirt gun or a hand cannon.

now get this through your head...

WAYNE HAS NOT PROVEN THAT -HE- HAS RIGHTS TO REMAKE ANYTHING. DON'T YOU
THINK HE SHOULD SUPPLY A COPY OF HIS COTRACT TO PEOPLE HE PLANS ON
DOING BUSINESS WITH SO THEY DON'T PUT UP MONEY TO MAKE SOMETHING ONLY
TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE COME ALONG AND SAY THEY CAN'T AND THEN
-THEY- LOSE OUT?!

a perfect example is ball troughs. the patent for the wms ball trough
is owned by gene. so that mean wayne can't put them in his so-called
game crock hunter. DID YOU KNOW THAT? of course you didn't, and neither
did wayne for a while ;-)

>
> >if these clowns did something with the rights instead of sending out
> >paper, NONE OF THIS WOULD MATTER.if ANYONE could make quality parts,
> >affordable, then anything anyone says wouldn't matter.
>
> Actually, that is where you are dead wrong.

no, it seems this is where you are -dead confused-

As much as you and I don't like it,
> the fact is Wayne isn't *required* to do any more with the rights than he is
> doing right now.

what rights does he own? you don't even know. and wayne doesn't have to
do anything, and i don't have to buy anything he doesn't make as well.
see how that works? ;-)

His sole requirements would be to pay WMS according to whatever
> schedule the lawyers have agreed upon,

you mean you don't know?

and to defend the rights against
> infringement.

what rights are you talking about, you don't even know what rights he
owns.

Both of those things would be requirements, as far as actually
> producing parts he doesn't have to make/sell even one rubber ring. Understand
> Koz, I am not happy about any of this either, I like parts as much as the next
> guy, and certainly I would like to see Wayne sub-licensing any of the quality
> repro people so that they can continue making their fine wares.

wayne won't tell anyone what rights he owns, see the problem? if you
bought some rights, wouldn't you make it public record as to what you
own and have rights to so it is KNOWN? sorta plant your flag in the
ground? wayne has proven nothing and i can tell you right now, HE IS
TRYING TO HUSTLE PEOPLE. (and this will come out as well)

>
> I just recognize that he doesn't have to, and unlike you I can discuss that
> matter without name-calling or trying to hurt another man's livelihood (BAA).

again, you just have no idea what you are talking about. there is more
going on here than you know or wish to believe, and as long as rick is
in waynes back pocket and continues doing what he is doing, he is
making his own bed.

talking with you about this is like talking with someone who just found
out that the teacher is having a test today. you just found out about
the test and are unprepared, i already know the answers.

>
> >have a nice new years kyle :-)
>
> Thanks!
>
> >Pinlicious ( ...there is no poon.)
> >(who doesn't just wake up grabbing at air about what he wants to bitch
> >on today, as much as kyle believes i am just an angry young man ;-))
>
> I'm very sure you are privy to much more "insider" information than I know, or
> is posted on this newsgroup. Wayne is likely not going to win any awards for
> "businessman of the year". But nothing else that is going on supersedes what I
> have stated in this posting, he is doing everything that is required by his
> license.

and i will say it again, he has not shown what his license is. do you
know kyle? or are you assuming something here? do you have any clue or
proof to what wayne owns?

Your argument that he paid 100k for *nothing* makes no sense at all,
> but then I haven't actually read the contract that he signed with WMS.

it makes perfect sense.

and thank you for stating you have not read the contract he signed with
wms and have NO IDEA what you are arguing about here, because very few
have...

Pinlicious ( ...there is no spoon.)

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> Kyle Wren
> "Worst... Ball... EVER!!"

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