Re: Woohoo! I live in Australia...

In article <onnp73hb2uqbn40b2vn0k9uhi5b2pkelm2@xxxxxxx>, Erik Setzer
<erks-a-t-comcast-d-o-t-net> says...
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:04:37 +0100, "estarriol"
<estarriol@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


My beliefs are not hypocritical, as you can see. I would benefit well
from some of these things, but I won't agree with them, ever.

yes they are, which part of 'turn the other cheek' is involved in supporting
the death penalty and support for murdering people who work on abortions?

I don't support murdering those people, despite seeing their actions
as murder in and of itself. As for the death penalty, if it's wrong,
God will render his own judgement. But I know well Jesus never said
to ignore a murderer. We might be stepping on God's toes by executing
people, but he's going to send them to hell anyway, not forgive them
unless they show in their hearts they want it and understand they did
wrong. If he wanted to "turn the other cheek" then why wouldn't he do
it? No, it's insults and such that they're refering to. As in, don't
bother with people who insult you, they're not that important, and
ignoring them really is the best way to either teach them an important
lesson, or at the least annoy them.


Take a look at our constitution Eric, one of the things mentioned has to
do with a prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment. In my mind it is
a whole lot crueler to lock a man (or woman) up for life without any
hope of being released, then to just put a needle in their arm and have
people watch them go to sleep forever.

The two problems this solves are one it is not a cruel punishment as
depending on the solution used it is fairly painless. The second is that
the public no longer has to pay to keep this person alive and give them
medical care when they are sick.

The death penalty is not really a bad thing when it is applied to crimes
where the alternative would be life imprisonment without parole. Now you
or anyone else starts thumping there bible and telling me that life is
sacred, I would remind you that the Bible also says "If thine eye offend
thee, pluck it out." There is also a line that refers to treating others
as you want to be treated.

Would I kill to protect my family, YOUR DAMNED RIGHT I WOULD! Would I do
it if I knew the punishment could mean that my life is forfeit? Hell
yeah, it amounts to giving my life to save my family, so the answer is
still the same!

So here is a quandary for you, I'm an honest to god card carrying
republican from the old school. So how is it that I support stem cell
research, A womans right to choose if she should get an abortion or not,
the Death Penalty, the right of an individual to prayer or not in
schools as they prefer, and the teaching of scientific theory in
preference to religious theory in schools?

I am a product of a school system that had 25 to 40 students in a class
room, people fell behind and guess what? They were required to repeat
that grade or class until they got it right? I had a friend that had to
repeat his Freshman English course three times before they discovered
that he had dyslexia. He never did pass english, but he could conjugate
verbs like nobody's business, and I never saw anyone better at
diagraming a sentence!

The bottom line is my teachers instilled a desire to learn, and tried to
get their students excited about what they were learning. Of course that
was a long time ago. I sat in and monitored some of my daughters classes
about ten years ago, and the teachers were fairly boring. I talked to
her history teacher to try to get him to change his style, but his reply
was that I didn't have a degree in educatution, so I didn't know what I
was talking about. He just threw information at the students rapid fire
and hoped some of it would stick.

On the other hand she had a science teacher that really got excited
about what he was teaching, it was funny to watch my daughter catch bugs
because they were cool, when a year earlier she would scream at the
sight of one.

The problem that you were describing before about schools is how our
government deals with problems, they throw money at it and hope it goes
away.
--
Inspector Jim-seau

In the grim darkness of the present, there is only September...

Somedays it just doesn't pay to be your own dictator. - Myr
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