Re: Bamboo 筒 is called copper coin. Why?

On Jul 6, 4:49 pm, Julian Bradfield <j...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 2009-07-06, al <a...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:> On Jul 3, 5:21 pm, "mstanw...@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <mstanw...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On Jul 3, 9:17 pm, al <a...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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The simple fact is you do not and you can not use words of the same
sound interchangeably without regards for where and it is applied in
context.

As I've pointed out, this is demonstrably false. Through Chinese
history, people have confused homophones - sometimes it's called
ignorance, sometimes it's deliberate when a new word is needed (when
the process even has a name, 假借), and sometimes it's part of the
simplification of characters.

More appropriate is to say that one should not use homophone words
interchangeably when the meaning in context altered unintentionally.

In the case of substituting iwth 同, whether it is for copper or bamboo
pipe, it was ignorance. It's even foolishness, causing confusion and
argument in history.

It is not 假借, because there is no need, both words for copper and
bamboo-tube are readily available. Why bother borrowing a word that
has neither of the intended meaning?

Hey, why waste time? It was after all only some dead historian's
"speculation". The proper term should be the most prevailing term in
use subsequently for the game.

You did suggest players know best as first-hand source.
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銅 is metalic whereas 筒 is bambooish; the two words not same 不 同.

As I have already explained, if the understanding of the object
changes, it's quite reasonable for the word used to describe it to
change.

How often did 同 appear anywhere?
MDH is based on one occurrence of such an event?

You guys remind me of the observation of Darwin's great-great-great
grandson. He described the state of mind among some die-hard
Creationists who will not accept evolution theory simply cannot live
without their religion.

There is supposed to be a square at the center, if that is money.

As I've pointed out twice already, Himly described the circles as the
"well known hole-coins". While this doesn't explicitly say they had
square holes, it certainly suggests it.

The circle suggest other things, as I also pointed out, in different
cultures of this world. I don't take Himly's words on mahjong like
you do.
I notice MDH proponents sometimes use the square hole definition in Ma
Diao to fortify Cash symbol. Now you say it matters naught. And here
you take HImly's description as "spoken words".

Wrong. A more effective test is to examine the sets of all ages known
and see if 銅 is engraved on the tiles and search for 銅 used instead of
筒 in literature of all ages.

That would be useful. Why don't you do it?

Are you serious? I have thought of a x-tab study of card sets in the
Illustrated Book.
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