Re: Mahjong Cash : Real or Mistaken Translation?

On Oct 24, 12:38 pm, pa...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Allan,

I think that I understand that you are trying to relate the game of MJ
to the concepts in the Yijing.

Dan, you are right. That is what I try to do.

I have studied the Yijing since the
early to mid 1970s,

If you can remember this much of what you studied since the 1970's,
you probably passed beyond the scholarly level.

I have to admit I am surprised that you did not show appreciation for
the "flux" nature of yin/yang.

Furthermore, by the taiji symbol which shows yin and yang flow into
and out of each other. That mean the forces are together as one. No
yin without yang and no yang without yin. Did you forget this key
concept or you missed it when you were doing your study?

Yin and yang exist only when they both are present. That is
fundamental.
(It was on that basis I gave my reason for the need to substitute 1-
sou because I consider or interpret the suit of sou as LINEs of yin
and yang. Since neither yin nor yang can exist alone, we can not use
two lines to represent one-sou. (Let me know if you heard of a better
explanation)

Your objection was having a pair without gender identification. In
accordance with taiji concept, each tile in a pair of the (2-3-3-3-3)
pattern is bi-sexual so to speak.

and while I have never approached a scholarly
level of study, I believe that I have a reasonably good understanding
of the underlying concepts (wuji, taiji, yinyang, wanwu, bagua,
wuxing, broken lines, solid lines, changing lines, heaven/man/earth,
trigrams, hexagrams, change, Lo river diagram, etc., etc., etc.). It's
just that your analysis and presentation so far do not convince me to
spend much time or effort on this line of inquiry.


By the sound of it, you know more than I do about taiji, I-Ching etc.

What I find strange though, is the ready offer of explanation or
justification for the terms and symbols in Matiao, a game on which a
paper you had not read.
In addition, "CASH" explains nothing about the mahjong game, it
structure or rules.

I pointed out a number of items in parallel between I-Ching and
mahjong. You picked one item (which you actually lack a thorough
understanding of) and concluded that is your analysis. It's obvious
you have not looked at the other points.


RELATIVISTIC means that the objects being compared can have their
associated yin/yang (a DUALISTIC concept since only two values are
being considered) meanings change depending on what QUALITY (or
characteristic, or value, etc.) is being examined. The QUALITY can be
any DUALISTIC concept: female/male, down/up, shady/sunny, cold/hot,
inside/outside, dark/light, passive/active, 0/1, short/tall, etc.,
etc., etc. This duality is not represented by an identical pair, but
by a complementary pair whose differences can be compared to each
other (assigning one to yang relative to the other which would then be
considered yin). The complementary partners, in terms of the yin/yang
concept, are not an identical pair!

You missed only one little item, Dan.
That is one can not exist without the other.
You are talking as though they are separate things.

An example: Though your two legs are fairly similar, the dominant leg
(the one that you most frequently move first when deciding to walk
from a stationary, feet parallel position) could be called yang
(active) relative to the other leg (passive). But this relationship
could change. If you were to move your right leg forward with the toe
lightly touching the ground, then in terms of the forward/backward
duality, the forward leg could be considered yang relative to the leg
in back. In terms of the solid/empty duality, the forward leg could be
empty and yin relative to the back leg. In terms of work (active/
passive duality), the back leg is tensed while supporting the weight
of the body and could be considered yang relative to the front leg.
etc., etc. etc.

Precisely what I said above. You are looking at yin and yang as
separate entities. You do need a review of the concept. No shadow
without light...
They do not compare with left and right legs.

Dan


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