Re: Winds order

On Jul 29, 4:43 pm, mstanw...@xxxxxxx wrote:
On Jul 29, 4:26?pm, al <a...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Jul 19, 3:46 pm, mstanw...@xxxxxxx wrote:
On Jul 19, 1:20?am, al <a...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The Directions in MJ play are in reversed order (i.e. ESWN
counterclockwise) because the game of MJ was created at a time when
ESWN counterclockwise was thought to be the correct order and that
would have been quite correct if it was the SUN that revolves around
the EARTH as believed in the whole world at one time.

In other words the Chinese MJ (Sparrow) game creator still believed
the earth was stationary and the sun was revolving around it
counterclockwise when he designed the game, because the anomaly of
reversed order of ESWN directions in MJ play can be simply explained
by a geocentric system. That is ESWN CCW (counterclockwise) was the
proper order if the sun was revolving around the earth and the earth
was the center of the universe as people believed prior to the
seventeenth century.

Hello Allan. I think you mean if the earth were stationary in space
but was still rotating anticlockwise on its axis. Thus the sun, in an
anticlockwise orbit would be seen by an observer on the earth as
rising in the east and setting in the west?

Is this the geocentric model you are describing?

I am still perplexed by your ESWN. Do you mean that under this model
the sun goes from east to west, or, in winter it would at least seem
to be going ESW, which would be in a clockwise progression - not
anticlockwise?
I noticed I haven't replied to you on this.
We need some one with more knowledge on the subject of astronomy to
analyze the question. Some one in the group may know of such person.

Hello Allan. Well, I am perfectly capable of talking about the
subject. I studied Astronomy and Planetary Science at undergraduate
level at university as part of my BSC Honours degree. I merely state
this as evidence of my confidence in my capability, not of my absolute
authority or expertise on the subject.

[snip]

My simple picture was just a flat earth like the inside of the round
coin which represents heaven & earth. The 4 sides of the inner square
are ESWN and are stationary (no rotation on any axis and no revolving
around anything); only the sun moves in an orbit like the circular
circumference of the coin. This way, in a counterclockwise movement,
ESWN is obvious, just as in Mahjong play.

Thank you. You have partly answered my question. Your square has the
sides with say..

(1) East, then South on its left, North on the right and West
opposite. Is that correct?

(2) Or is it East, with South on its right, North on its left and West
opposite?

(3) Or the relative positions of the Directions do not matter?

Further, if the Earth was completely stationary with no rotation, then
would not the sun progress from East to West in a clockwise orbit, not
anticlockwise?

Note, I am only asking questions to clarify your description of a
geocentric model.

Cheers
Michael

Hello, Michael,
Now you are asking the hard questions which we should be examining. As
I said, I was looking at the universe from the ancient Chinese point
of view. My question was basically this: "why did the "directions" get
mixed up in MJ game-play?"
I believed the confusion comes from the misconception of the
geocentric system of the day (old day, that is). Now that I know you
have the knowledge to analyze the situation. You might come up with an
answer to the puzzling question
Cheers, AL.

.

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