Re: Go, "Western" vs. "Asian" Thinking - Philosophical, Sociological, Anthropological, Practical?


Harry Sigerson wrote:
Viridovix,

Your thinking is not right thinking.

That's a very small reply to be living on the back of such a big
/cloned/ post by BEAR.

I thought his post asked about a series of allied points...

...one sees quite a few asian children/
young teens who excell things like Go and Violin & Piano playing.(even
here in the USA...) It may be only my impression but there seem to be
more asian children than "western" children who get /noticed/ who excell
at this sort of thing... but this is not my focus exactly.

...was one such point.
Then there was...

What I was thinking about is more along the lines of the underlying
differences in thought processes & innate facility between the 'best' of
the "western" thinkers and the 'best' of the "asian" thinkers?
...which it seems to me makes what I think is an assumption;
'differences in thought processes'. Is there any such thing whether your
ancestors are black, white, chocolate, red, yellow or even green and white
striped.
In what measure are there any such differences? Other than those that
constrain your individuality; that which your kin, society and culture
inculcate as you are being 'growed up' to be used for their purposes.
Purposes which they, having also been 'growed up' so carefully might not
even be aware of what's happened to them.
Surely, any education you get should be the shibboleth that you use to
'sound out' all such teaching and its teachers for yourself. True if you
don't conform you might no longer be part of the herd; then no one in the
herd ever gets to be much more than a year or so past the tonne of years
mark.
It's more the damage they do to the then tenth-of-a-tonne contingent
that is the difficulty. Where all of the approaching-the-tonnes' education
has been used on others solely to entrench the 'crapola' they should have
eradicated in themselves? If you want a job for life then revere for the
incipient tonners, it's money in the bank

Then there was...
I do not know if this is an accurate appraisal or not.
...almost an intermission offered for reflection and declaring his own
introspection about what he'd written.

Then there is...
Taking it one step further, to Go, although the best players in the
world are clearly asians, are they also being creative with the game, or
are the changes taking place merely evolutionary in the main?
...I am not sure about BEAR's slant here but I read it like this.
Right now the 2006 Proms are running on BBC Radio-3 and will run on into
September. Lots of Proms programs and of the everyday Radio-3 variety that
feature pianists.
Some programs will feature recordings by half a dozen or more
pianists, the presenter will broadcast each playing same bit of the same
piece of music and compare. We've all at some time or other picked out a
tune with a couple of fingers on a keyboard or piano. Only then can you
wonder at the dexterity of any one of such a featured half dozen players.
As you listen and are directed by the presenter you will prefer one over
the others; possibly his choice possibly your own. Why? They are all
playing the black marks on the score and playing them well. A score they
know so well that they run it in their heads as they play.
So why is that? What is that preference based on <sssshhh!> Some one
might use the word 'art' or 'creative' and get a reaction by implication;
one that affects those who don't want reminding that in that 'art' they are
artless. It's quite human and is called regret and should be a private
thing.
Perhaps Liao Xengwen's Go just reached that art-*full* level early;
all we can do is play the recordings of his games and compare him with
other greats; though in Go's case each and every game is played to a
different 'score' - just that one time.

Harry.

Your reply indicates that you understand some of the facets of my
reply, but the shortness of the reply was also one of the facets. I've
spent 26 years off and on thinking about most of the points (probably
every point) brought up on this thread, so there wasn't really a whole
lot to say. I will say I've come to a completely different conclusion
than the one I thought I would.

.

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