Re: The Popularity of Go

Nick Wedd wrote:
In message <damien.doligez-C3DEFA.11373205072006@localhost>, Planar <damien.doligez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes

In article <4guuk9F1p2trvU1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Peter Clinch <p.j.clinch@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Okay then, turn down the tone and stop using preposterous phrases like
"propaganda" to describe people who claim to be playing by Japanese
rules when they are not.


I don't know how much time you've spent in this newsgroup.

There are some people here who claim to be playing with Japanese
rules without any problem. It's been pointed out to them countless
times that they aren't really playing with Japanese rules, but
some kind of unwritten approximation of them.

Yet they go on telling everyone that they are playing with
Japanese rules, and that there is no problem with Japanese rules.
They haven't even _read_ the Japanese rules they are talking about.

The word "propaganda" looks appropriate to me. I don't know
why you have such a dislike for this term, but if it really
upsets you I will refrain from using it.


Planar,

Almost always in this thread, I have been in full agreement with you. But on this issue I think you are wrong. "Propaganda" implies a deliberate attempt to propagate false, or biassed, information. But those people who say they are using Japanese rules when they aren't don't have any dishonest motive, they are merely mistaken.

Nick

which ones of these non-japanese rulesets is the valid one now?
I am asking because it seems not only we do not have a clue what rules we are using at the moment (and why are they called japanese) but judging on the levels of noise and general quality of arguments here we are risking the situation that newly enforced non-japanese ruleset will be as informal as the one before and thus it may even stay the same (except for the name).

I would like also to introduce batons instead of buttons as means to resolve the rules flaws. I am sure properly used baton can help deciding the score and that independently of the scoring/counting method.

I wonder what a newbie searching for answers will think if s/he finds this thread on the web. How many of possible players will never ever come back to play a game fearing that s/he meet some rules master that will prove that s/he chose the wrong ruleset and plays incorrectly. Must be thousands by now.
Gosh it can also be that players like me will never go to a tournament fearing the same fate.
OTOH that is only good. We will have clear rules and people that can jolly discuss flaws in now invalid 'japanese' rules.



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