Re: Italian Go - the latest twists



Harry Sigerson wrote:
Henric,


The clients supported their patronus
and helped him to stay in power in return for protection and other
favors that he could give them. That kind of structure was very
important everywhere in Europe from antiquity through the middle ages
and left remnants right into modern times, although it gradually faded
away when it became easier for individuals to support themselves on
their own and they felt more protected for instance by a strong state..


Isn't that now called 'right-wing' thinking; promoting the sort of control implicit in religions and kingdoms. It's a lot less trouble for the individual supplicant and subject just to do as he's told, no matter what he's told, forelock tugging is easily learnt - except for the French <allez France>, they seem to have had the flu jab. The r-w thing always involves lots of chasubles, uniforms, regalia with plumes and ermine and such; and of course the important genuflection element. That's why it's so important to get hair-transplants when you're trying to get your baldy self elected president. The last baldy PM we had in the UK was Clement Attlee a good man but he'd need a re-thatching job today. Nowadays; that's much more important than what you've actually done - in office; or so it seems to this jaded eye. And of course that right-wing arrangement is such a good mulch in which to grow Fascism. The only prophylactic, not cure - there isn't one - is a *broad* and intensive education - and for the r-w that's yet another substance-abuse they have to control 'properly'. Education is not a cure; you can't save it up. What you've worked out to be a good and accurate conclusion thanks to your education, can't be stuck in the bank to leave in your will to your offspring. It's not like money or shares. Kids have to start from scratch just like their parents and there is no guarantee that they'll think things out in a good way. Style, money, *power*, in this day and age is what rules - via televisually and movie-trained eyes. It used to be that the r-w perps would push the boat out that bit too far and we'd all wind up in a World War or some such stramash. At least that would, re-initialise, things for the surviving ordinary punters - well, for a while at least. There would be an attendant slogan of some sort to look up to while you leant on your crutches, "A Land Fit For Heroes" was one such. Nowadays WWs are too big a risk for the powers-that-be so folk are stuck with having to learn to think and that is so 'enervating', trop fatiguant; worse still it's threatening. In Detroit '28 or so they used four by twos to sort things out. Next thing you know the educated proles know how to use the law. Trouble is that sort of knowledge, the using of the law, is a very marketable commodity - and we're back to money. Now, with the cutting back of legal aid....
There's a wealthy Italian chap (a good pal of our Tony Blair) who has been, over last few days, trying to persuade folk in his place that he is the good guy. I wonder how successful he's been? Perhaps his hair-job has not been good enough - I hope so.

You mean the guy who owns big chunk of Italian economy? Whether he is a good or bad boy is a matter that is completly irrelevant for so called common folk. In political system of majority western states today majority has lost any influence and thus interest. The reasons are many but I suspect the way it works has something to do with it i.e. once in a while we chose people that then do what they please. When I studied history once (I forgot almost everything since but some things remain I hope) I relealized that in principle democracy meant that the gathering of citizens (which was very limited term at the time) discussed the
problem and ays of solving it and then chose the goal to be achived, the way to achieve it and who was going to lead the community there. Now if I look at the sustem of today it does not remain this (idealistic I admit) picture. The fact the with each and every day we are further away from free press ideals of the past is also not very encouraging and please do not tell me that blogs have such a major influence here - they have not even if there were incidents that seemed to confirm their significance.


I wonder which of FIGG or AGI is the more heavily backed by that sort of 'power'; though perhaps on a smaller scale of course? With the rapid growth of GO internationally, this 30+kyu, looks on in wonder at the evidence of that growth as demonstrated by the Internet. It's absolutely amazing. I bought a set of GO stones in the early nineties, I made a goban from 16mm plywood. Only one of my friends, a Dane, had any interest in the game. What we later learned was called Ko puzzled us a bit <s> till we read Kaoru Iwamoto's little book a bit more carefully. So inexorably the stones and goban went into limbo. I'm a self-employed Civil and Structural Engineer, I work from home and use a PC - a lot. So the boom in GO the internet has demonstrated has amazed me.
this is not only internet although internet may play a major role in promotion of the game - when I played first few games in my home town
(800k inhabitants at the time) there were few players of any skill there and similar number of fresh enthusiasts. That was 15years ago. I looked few weeks ago on their web site and I saw that last year there were few tournaments ther! something I would not have expected few years back.


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If you have an International, even World wide agency to promote anything and that agency disagrees with some decision made by one of its comprising regions, say the EGF, then democratically the reason for this lack of agreement will have been made known to all the other regions. I don't think that it would be inconsistent for the EGF in its turn to then disseminate this disagreement within its body politic - Europe - on whatever were the points in question. Then they have to agree on what action to take. I don't' know if the constituent members of the EGF participated in chewing this particular piece of hard nougat. I suppose they have been; though from the discussions on this newsgroup it seems indigestible. The last thing you want to do is to dance attendance on recalcitrant would-be or de-facto members. Once you start that you are as the saying goes neither fish nor fowl. It's epaulet ripping-off and sword-breaking time. Seven plus years is a long time and any known machinations during that time cannot be forgotten about. At least not unless you know that it doesn't matter what you've done, that your place in the sun is assured - from above. Harry.

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