Re: What do various \rulesets say about the score of the seki?

TLOlczyk a écrit : 
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:30:24 GMT, Bill Spight <bspight@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


Dear Chris and Thaddeus,

Thaddeus:

Looking over this game, I was wondering how the seki
in the UHR corner is scored. Especially T18,T19.


Chris:

The most interesting (read: overly complicated) rule set is Japanese
rules. In this case no points are counted in a seki. White has made an
error by not capturing the stone at T18, because this would have given
him one point for a captured stone. After two passes this stone is not
to be removed from the seki. Only stones inside territory of the
opponent are to be removed.


It's worse, err, more interesting than that! ;-) By Japanese '89 rules
Black has no territory at all!!!!! Each of his live groups shares a
neutral point with some live White group, and is therefore **in seki**.
White wins big. (OC, Black may request a resumption....)


Ok. Now you have totally

"lost me", I presume. Not surprising : most people dont know what the actual Japanese rules are...




What do you mean by "each of his live
groups"?

Every group (except the lost stone) Usually, when someone says "each of ....", he *means* "every..."




Can you be specific? Other then the groups in the upper
right?

Every group : you are not supposed to leave dames unplayed in J89 rules, else every adjacent group is **in seki**...



There are only four Black groups. S18 (if you can call that a group )
S15, P7 and G3. P7 and G3 are clearly alive. S15, S18 are seki.

In normal interpretation, yes. But rules are not here to give intuitive results. Ask for resumption, and, for godsake, fill all those dames...





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