Re: |[IRL] Didn't we already win this fight?

Tetsubo wrote:
Justin wrote:
David Klassen wrote on [Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:18:17 -0800 (PST)]:

Stanley Rexwinkle wrote:

"David Klassen" <klassen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

of one group? Especially when it is a group that is traditionally
ignored in most history books. Those books would claim that they
are focusing on "big" events and the "big" people who drove them
and they just *happen* to be all white males. That's a cop out and
thus the desire for focused times for other kinds of history---you
know, to counter the agenda in those textbooks.

not at tax payer expense. let those groups pay for said instruction
themselves.

I'm beginning to see your agenda... "those groups" indeed...


Exactly, Stan is living in some alternate reality with strange filters.
Every school is a prison, every single person applying for welfare is
pumping out kids for more money and trying to play the system, etc. etc.


You paint with FAR too broad a brush. I'm a product of public
education and have degrees in math, astrophysics and an
advanced degree in physics. Seemed OK for me. Heck, I even
went to a state university!


Everyone I know is the product of a public education, most of them have
undergraduate degrees. Sure, the US public education system was
different to the Australian one I grew up in, but the people who wanted
to learn learned.

I consider my time in the US educational system mostly as a form of
socialization. It was a complete failure as an 'education' process
however. I started reading at age five. After I ran out of books in the
house I started reading the dictionary. You'd think I would be a better
speller. :) I've read every single day of my life since that age. I
consider myself self-educated. I did graduate High School but only
barely. I was so utterly bored that it failed to grab my attention. I
never attended college or university. I probably have the equivalent of
a BA through my own pursuit of knowledge.
While the US system isn't a prison it was designed on the Prussian
model. Designed to create a uniform and compliant student well suited to
military training. It has changed over time but at its core, that
Prussian model is still there.
The key element missing from the US educational model is instruction in
critical thought. The last thing the school administration, local and
federal government wants is a student body that thinks critically. Heck,
students might start asking *question*! And expecting logical and
consistent answers... can't have that now can we?

This is my observation as well. Whenever I hear some administrator or "leader" go off about how we really want to be producing graduates who can think for themselves, I chuckle a little inside. No administrator actually wants that, not really, neither inside a school nor out of it. People who can think for themselves are real pains in the ass for administrators of all stripes.

- Ron ^*^
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