Re: |[IRL] Didn't we already win this fight?


"Kyle Wilson" <kyle@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:hg2jh4hh5hsvkle07dtsqmgheu4rdqka20@xxxxxxxxxx
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:13:01 -0800, "Stanley Rexwinkle"
<hahntsak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


"Kyle Wilson" <kyle@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:f0cgh41eat9n36ipmtq5nblnlb3igs9hs4@xxxxxxxxxx
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:52:35 GMT, Keith Davies
<keith.davies@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Why limit it to only one, though? If I'm willing to pay my way for more
than one -- increase my healthcare premiums, pay more for insurance, and
so on -- why should it matter? Why shouldn't I be able to claim more
than one person as a dependant on my tax return (assuming that bit is
kept) if they aren't employed? It's not as if they're otherwise costing
the government (welfare, unemployment insurance, whatever) because I'm
providing for them -- if anything, it would be *more* expensive to the
government if I weren't doing that. If I'm injured, why can't there be
more than one person given ready access to me in the hospital?

I think that allowing more than one spouse (of either gender of
course) would work ok as long as the expensive benefits were limited
to one other person.

Health insurance (at least until we have some sort of sane single
payer plan) for adults are a significant expense. It would have a
serious impact on employers if a new hire could turn out to have six
spouses (especially if they were all older) that needed to be covered
under their health plan. That said though, this could probably be
dealt with easily once things were in place, by amending laws and
contracts to indicate that the primary for a benefit was allowed to
specify any one person for coverage and that marriage was entirely
unrelated (also making single folks a bit happier).

I think that multiple marriage has acquired a bad reputation because
of the most visible implementations of it where young girls are
married off to older men and have little or no power in the
relationship after marriage. I'd be curious to see what a true,
balanced multiple marriage would look like (multiple men and multiple
women with a reasonably equitable power balance in a committed,
long-term relationship). I don't think that I have ever heard of such
an arrangement as anything more than a one-off personal situation (of
course anyone in such a relationship wouldn't be talking too publicly
about it in any case as there are probably legal issues).
--

most anti polygamy laws were enacted in response to MORMONS. they were
denied a state of deseret, and had to stop practicing polygamy to have utah
as a state. the mormons were almost mainstream. now they are going to be
subject to more scrutiny once again.

And the Mormon realization of multiple marriage is unlikely to pass
muster in modern society as it does not go 'both ways' (no multiple
husbands with one wife) and tends towards a severe power imbalance in
the relationships towards the male with religious doctrine to back
this up. The practice in the more extreme sects of marrying off young
girls to old guys who were powerful in the church also sets people's
teeth on edge.

If someone is going to sell it to modern society they'll need more
positive examples where the gender mix is less rigid and the power
balance in the multi-way relationships is more equitable (not always
going to be perfect, as monogamous relationships can be a little slice
of hell too, but not pre-defined to give all of the power to one
party).
--

well at the time they also had blood atonement and placing doctrine in use as well. they could relieve an undesirable of their wives or daughter and reassign to other more desirable men. they could even sentence anyone to death [but go to heaven providing they didn't put up a fight]. perhaps some mormons desire the good old days.


Kyle Wilson
email: kylewilson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

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