Re: Who did not bother to switch to 4E, and why?

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:37:54 +0200, LL <Lorenz.Lang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Kyle Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:18:39 +0200, LL <Lorenz.Lang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


Allen Wessels wrote:

In article <gcditu$g3m$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
LL <Lorenz.Lang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Allen Wessels wrote:


In article <gccr26$nb$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
LL <Lorenz.Lang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:




My point is:
It's important that we (as human and humane beings) don't deny
a fetus its status as a human being to escape the moral duty to
balance the rights of pregnant woman and unborn child.


That isn't the problem. The problem is how do we deal with the fact
that part of the population believes the fetus is a human being and part
does not?

So human reproduction starts with two humans,
but goes through a non-human state before at last a human appears?
What is the intermediate non-human state?
Is it an animal, some kind of parasite or tumor?
What are we talking about?
Where does the human being come from in the end?
When does it appear? At birth or before? When before?

Unlike a soul, we can measure brain activity.

"Braindead" persons sometimes recover IIRC.
How is that possible?

I concede that a brain must be there
before any activity can take place.
When is the fetus capable of feeling pain?


So which is the human, the egg or the sperm? How can a "human"
fertilized egg from from two not-human contributors?

Human egg and human sperm from human male and human female.
The former are human too, but not a human *being* for some time after
fertilization. They become a human being sooner than 3rd trimester.
I prefer to pick the first possible moment and not the last,
because to err would be horrible.


On the other hand, sperm and egg are 'human' in the same way a severed
fingertip or a pint of human blood is human. We don't get into moral
quandaries about the chunk of tissue or the sack of blood though.
--

If you would want my fingertip or blood, we would. :-)

Just trying to steer the conversation back onto RPG turf ;-)
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Kyle Wilson
email: kylewilson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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