Re: Who did not bother to switch to 4E, and why?

Stanley Rexwinkle wrote:

"LL" <Lorenz.Lang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:gce0pc$e57$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Kyle Wilson wrote:

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:18:39 +0200, LL <Lorenz.Lang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


Allen Wessels wrote:

In article <gcditu$g3m$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
LL <Lorenz.Lang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Allen Wessels wrote:


In article <gccr26$nb$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
LL <Lorenz.Lang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:




My point is:
It's important that we (as human and humane beings) don't deny
a fetus its status as a human being to escape the moral duty to
balance the rights of pregnant woman and unborn child.



That isn't the problem. The problem is how do we deal with the fact that part of the population believes the fetus is a human being and part does not?


So human reproduction starts with two humans,
but goes through a non-human state before at last a human appears?
What is the intermediate non-human state?
Is it an animal, some kind of parasite or tumor?
What are we talking about?
Where does the human being come from in the end?
When does it appear? At birth or before? When before?


Unlike a soul, we can measure brain activity.


"Braindead" persons sometimes recover IIRC.
How is that possible?

I concede that a brain must be there
before any activity can take place.
When is the fetus capable of feeling pain?


So which is the human, the egg or the sperm? How can a "human" fertilized egg from from two not-human contributors?


Human egg and human sperm from human male and human female.
The former are human too, but not a human *being* for some time after
fertilization. They become a human being sooner than 3rd trimester.
I prefer to pick the first possible moment and not the last,
because to err would be horrible.



On the other hand, sperm and egg are 'human' in the same way a severed
fingertip or a pint of human blood is human. We don't get into moral
quandaries about the chunk of tissue or the sack of blood though.
--


If you would want my fingertip or blood, we would. :-)

LL


sometimes courts force people to give up bodily tissues [like bone marrow] in painful procedures because someone with legal power wants it.

What? Where?
Who can force people to give up /bone marrow/ and under what
circumstances? Never heard of that before.

btw further off topic, what do think of parents abandoning teenagers at baby surrender sites in nebraska? kid giving you headaches, drag them to

Teenagers to baby surrender sites? Really?

fire station or hospital and legally be rid of them. born children mind you and they kept them for 10 years. if the kids go bad, dump them off on the state. maybe the churches could raise the young hooligans.

It's sad, but we're not living in a perfect world.
Some parents neglect their children and some children go bad (not
neccessarily the former). If a child goes really bad, the parents
sometimes have no choice but to give the child away into some
kind of custody.
Some parents are a danger to their children, some children are a danger
to their parents.
Who else if not society, i.e. the state, should care for the children
in such families?

LL
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