Re: We didn't start the fire? was Re: Alignment and 4E

Bradd W. Szonye wrote:
tussock wrote:
Bradd W. Szonye wrote:

Reason is only as good as the premises. If you suspect that some of
the premises are false, that the reasoning is valid but unsound, then
you're best to discard it. If you have nothing better to go on, you
may as well follow your beliefs, as then you'll at least be able to
follow through with conviction.

If I don't know what the hell I'm doing, I should get help, not trust
to unreasoned beliefs.

How did you get from "If you suspect that some of the premises are
false" to "I don't know what the hell I'm doing"? Arguments work a lot
better if you actually rebut what I said, instead of making shit up at
random and then attacking that.

I got from "if you have nothing better to go on [than faith]" to not
knowing what you're doing, ... it was the chain of quotes at the top of
my post that provided context, ....

You and I have a /real/ problem communicating. That's not news to
anyone, obviously, I'm just not really sure how to answer your question
there without provoking the exact same thing again.

If you /know/ your premises are dodgy, go get some better ones.

(For what it's worth, it's been my observation that people who pride
themselves on their reasoning are often poor at examining premises.
While they're very good at constructing and examining valid arguments,
the foundations are often unsound.)

That's where education and experience come in handy.

You do realize that educaton and experience are the foundation of most
unreasoned beliefs, right?

In that they're the foundation of /everything/ past basic biological
urges, duh. They're also the /only/ way to be rational.

They contribute to intuition too, another thing that's useful when
reasoning fails.

The helpful parts of intuition I've seen revolve around people
learning facts about the world through experience that aren't formally
taught. Thus "in-tuition", the teaching within.

The bad parts result in everyday racism. This is where it's useful to
check your intuition against some rational thought based around solid
premises.

And I don't mean to poke fun at your issues, as I have my own, but you
might want to consider that you're not the best-qualified person to
judge the merits of reasoning, intuition, and belief.

Heh. I'd comment on how that really associates, but I'd want to look
it up first to be sure. 8]

--
tussock

I'm like a box of chocolates; you never know what you're gunna get.
.

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