Re: We didn't start the fire? was Re: Alignment and 4E


"Seebs" <usenet-nospam@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On 2008-06-16, tussock <scrub@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Stick electrodes on the right spot, or take certain chemicals in the
right company and you'll have all the spiritualism you could imagine and
then some. LSD's supposed to be pretty good there, and much less
dangerous than brain surgery.

So?

I don't think this addresses the question of what's happening WITHOUT
intervention.

It certainly provides data that can be relevant to the exploration of what's
happening in the mind during a "spiritual experience."

Arguing spirituality away because you can induce "spiritual
experiences" mechanically is like arguing vision away because modern
movies
have great special effects.

Not really. On the other hand, your example is pretty good: sometimes you
cannot trust your personal perceptions.

That we can find ways to confuse a sense

Who says you are confusing a sense? Perhaps that sense is being enhanced.
Without further data, you cannot make either conclusion.

doesn't prove that there's nothing being sensed.

If you can artificially create a "spiritual experience" with chemicals,
electrical stimulation, meditation, or other natural means, it shows that
the supernatural is not required in order to explain such experiences.

--
^v^v^Malachias Invictus^v^v^

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.

from _Invictus_, by William Ernest Henley


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