Re: Torture - A lawful good act?

On Nov 22, 9:42 am, D.J. <jollycampe...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:49:01 -0800 (PST), Shawn Wilson<ikonoql...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

]On Nov 21, 6:18 pm, Matt Frisch <matus...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
]wrote:
]
]> 200,000 in just Dresden maybe. German civilian casualties for the whole
]> war? Much...MUCH higher.
]
]For the record-
]
]No, the Bombing of Dresden did NOT kill 200,000.
]
]The total was in the vicinity of 30,000 (germans are excellent record
]keepers). The higher number was pure propaganda.

Look dumbass. There are no casualty figures for Dresden because
there were large numbers of refugees from other cities due to
Dresden not being bombed until that point. So any death figures for
Dresden are guesses. And 30,000 is too low.


Actually there ARE very well detailed casualty figures for Dresden.
As I said, the Germans are excellent record keepers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
(in lieu of looking up scholarly texts, which will merely repeat the
same figures)

"A Dresden police report written shortly after the attacks stated that
the old town and the inner eastern suburbs had been engulfed in a
single fire which had destroyed almost 12,000 dwellings including
residential barracks. The report also said that the raid had destroyed
"24 banks; 26 insurance buildings; 31 stores and retail houses; 640
shops; 64 warehouses; 2 market halls; 31 large hotels; 26 public
houses; 63 administrative buildings; 3 theatres; 18 cinemas; 11
churches; 6 chapels; 5 cultural-historical buildings; 19 hospitals
including auxiliary, overflow hospitals, and private clinics; 39
schools; 5 consulates; 1 zoological garden; 1 waterworks, 1 railway
facility; 19 postal facilities; 4 tram facilities; 19 ships and
barges." The report also mentioned that the Wehrmacht's main command
post in the Taschenberg Palais, 19 military hospitals and a number of
less significant military facilities were destroyed.[21] Almost 200
factories were damaged, 136 seriously (including several of the Zeiss
Ikon precision optical engineering works), 28 with medium to serious
damage, and 35 with light damage.[22]"

(snip)

"Contemporary official German records give a number of 21,271
registered burials, including 6,865 who were cremated on the Altmarkt.
[30] There were around 25,000 officially buried dead by March 22,
1945, war related or not, according to official German report
Tagesbefehl (Order of the Day) no. 47 ("TB47"). There was no
registration of burials between May and September 1945.[31] War-
related dead found in later years, from October 1945 to September
1957, are given as 1,557; from May 1945 until 1966, 1,858 bodies were
recovered. None was found during the period 1990-1994, even though
there was a lot of construction and excavation during that period. The
number of people registered with the authorities as missing was
35,000; around 10,000 of those were later found to be alive.[27]"

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