Re: Off-Topic -- Gender Discrimination

On Jun 15, 5:22 am, "Symbol" <j...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"David Klassen" <klas...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Jun 13, 9:44 pm, "Shawn Wilson" <ikonoql...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"David Klassen" <klas...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

Bait and switch in what sense? The graph right on the front page
is pretty clear. Granted, that's an overall median, but there it
is:
a gender gap---period.

Because it claims but does not suport that the 'gap' is a function of
gender

The *fact* is that it is a gap based on gender. It's right there in the
freaking graph!

There is no evidence the gap is "based on" gender. Correlation is not
causation.

I believe that's what I've been saying. There *is* a gap. The median
function removes the effects of outliers so that if any subgroup has
a different median than the whole, there needs to be some very real
statistical reason for it.

In exactly the same way that recorded variances between age grouped
cohorts does not mean that 20 year olds are discriminated against in
relation to 30 year olds. Its simply that there are real differences
between the cohorts (experience, qualifications etc)

Which are simple to test for, and where "experience" as a reason
makes sense. We can measure levels of experience differences
between them. Shawn claims by assertion the same for male v.
female differences. Considering that we all *know* the history
of deliberate pay bias by gender, it is *just* as reasonable to assert
that today's bias is an ingrained, perhaps less deliberate version,
of that; I'd argue that it is even more reasonable to begin with that
view than Shawn's. As such, I've asked him to cite studies that
support his claim. So far, all he does is assert.

This is not to say that Gender discrimination does not exist. Simply that
a flat difference in pay does not prove it does.

Right. Bias<>discrimination. But since we do know the system *was*
discriminatory in the past, I would argue that it is the onus of those
claiming it is gone to provide proof. Considering that the data still
show
these statistical gaps.

Please David, go much futher and you'll actually be more wrong that Shawn.
Nobody wants that.

I'll try to keep in check my "assertions" since I'm really just trying
to
provide the context for questioning the free-market-religious view of
Shawn's that all is rosy and as it "should" be because the market
knows all and behaves perfectly.

.

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