Re: High Stats

Lorenz.Lang@xxxxxx wrote:
DougL wrote:

Maybe we have different definitions (meanings) of "meaning"?
An example:
The Intelligent-Design-People have a meaning of reality in mind.
Evolution as a scientific theory hasn't got an inherent meaning.
It describes how life evolved on this planet and not why...

Meaning is WHAT WORDS MEAN! The basic idea that words and sentances
carry ANY INFORMATION WHATSOEVER requires that the words have meaning.

I'm not talking about deap philosophical meaning, I'm talking about
sentances (i.e. words strung togather) having a meaning.

Your example of Unicorns not existing (Which I snipped), is a marvel of
irrelevance. How do you know they don't exist if you don't know what
the WORD unicorn means?

You get the meaning of most words from a dictionary. Post-Modernists
hold that all meaning is in the eye of the beholder, that the
originators intended meaning is unknowable and irrelevant.

No, no...a solipsist believes that "all objects, people, etc, that one
experiences are merely parts of one's own mind." (stolen from wiki).
Which too is idiotic, in my not so humble opinion.

Arguably Solipsist's are right. The experience IS only in your mind.

And in the mind of all others who experience the same thing.
These others are not in my mind, they (hopefully) have a mind of their
own.

You're experience is entirely in your own mind, your alleged knowledge
that these other people exist is entirely in your own mind.

Once you admit that your sensation is entirely in your mind you have no
a-priori reason to accept that any of those sensations have anything to
do with anyone or anything else.

You also have no reason to suppose they don't. Solipisism says nothing
inherent about the "objective" world not existing. Mearly that you have
no way of knowing that it exists.

Definition 1 Dictionary.com (normally the most common, standard usage:
sol·ip·sism: The theory that the self is the only thing that can be
known and verified

This also implies that you can't know or verify that there ISN'T an
objective reality.

This says nothing about reality not existing, definition 2 does, but in
practice definition 2 contradicts number 1, and #1 is the default. (I
also note that their alternate source says NOTHING about reality not
existing.)

There is no requirement that solipsists believe the world not to exist.

Solipsism says more than just "The experience is in my mind".
It states that the whole world around me is an illusion created
by my own mind, without truly existing...

Nope, not actually a requirement. All that is required to be a
solipsist is to admit that you have no way to VERIFY the existence of
anything outside yourself.

Anyone who says that they KNOW that nothing else exists has missed the
entire point.

Your own admission that we may NOT be able to experience objective
reality is an admission of the basic premise of solipsism.

No. It's called critical rationalism (Karl Popper).

It's Solipsism, check the actual definition.

The only problem with Solipsism is that it offers no actual guidance
for action.

I'm glad you see it this way. If all other creatures are merely
illusions,
harming and killing them if it serves your needs should be no (moral)
problem. Solipsism is the purest egoism possible,
über-narcistic absurdity.

I note that the experiences in my mind that follow treating
the world I percieve as representing an objective reality are often
pleasant,

Merely pleasant?

Anything good can be defined as pleasant.

and those that follow ignoring the world I percieve are often
unpleasant.

Just read in the newspaper that a korean internet-gamer fell from his
chair and died after 50 hours of gaming. Ignoring reality is usually a
Bad Idea[tm].

And conclude that it costs me nothing significant to TREAT
the world of my senses as representing objective reality regardless of
the actual state of affairs.

OTOH a sound scepticism or healthy distrust are a good thing to have.

DougL

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