Re: Saving Throws

Jeff Goslin wrote: 
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He gets Reflex saves, too, though with an effective Dexterity of zero.

Annnnnnd... that sounds *logical* to you?

It is logical within the context of *this game* (D&D 3.5). 


Well, I wouldn't say that.  It's apparantly LEGAL within the context of the
game(I haven't actually looked up the rule, I'll take your word for it,
though).  I can't agree it makes logical sense, though.

No, it's logical given what D&D models. It might not be logical in the context of, say, "Inner City," but it fits within the other assumptions D&D makes in this edition.

Well, it's easier to be accurate with long arms than short arms, as the
gunowners say.  I may add I do not have any accuracy troubles in this
regard.



Touche'.


I will say this for you, Jeff--you handle your stupidity spankings with
much greater aplomb than the other ninnies trolling RGFD at the moment.


I try to be magnanimous. 

It's a rare gift.

That said, I honestly don't think it's a case of a spanking.  I'm just
asking the rules lawyers for the rules they would rely on in such
situations.  The rules they are coming up with aren't adding up to me.

That's why we are here, to answer such questions. However, when you don't take our advice, you fall into the category of the person who decides to represent themself, and as the old saying goes, "A man who represents himself in court has a fool for a lawyer."

While they say that a person who is sleeping (by the spell) is helpless, and
a person who is knocked out via damage, read "unconscious", is also
helpless, but there is a difference between a natural sleeper and a spell
sleeper for some reason, a reason that is, frankly, beyond me, except to
note that some people are lighter sleepers than others, which isn't good
enough if you ask me.  The rules need to apply evenly.  Spell sleep makes
one helpless(as far as the rules go), why not natural sleep?

Normal slumber can be ended by less stimulus than magical slumber, just as for many people strong drugs can make them sleep more deeply than they normally would.
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