Re: Employment



On 71khz erimess shrieked:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:12:25 -0700, Ashikaga <citizenashi@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On 33khz erimess shrieked:
Ashikaga wrote:

Yes. I also want you to know, you are not alone on this. Nowadays, I
threw away all my childhood (childish?) ambition and just want to live a
"normal" life. Being "successful" is an exception rather than a norm
nowadays. Opportunities just aren't that plentiful at this point in time
and the competition is fierce. I am giving up on finding a private sector
job already. A less glory but steady job feeds the stomach. Cost of
living nowadays is really high so being able to provide for oneself without
family endowment is already a very hard job, let alone provide for your
family. However, that's NOT what employers want to hear. They don't want
to know the reality nor how much life experience you've gathered. They
want to hear some marketing pitch of how much you can do for them, that's
my conclusion I got from years of job searching.

So, you are finally learning what the real world is about, instead of
those textbooks I kept telling you to ignore.

I'm not sure if you know what we learned in textbooks,

Of course I do. Not only is it the same BS I learned in those
textbooks, but it's not like you didn't talk endlessly about all your
theories you learned in school. C'mon.

I've never talked about the technical stuff though (like financial theories
and stuff). I have only touched on the stuff that one may encountered in
real life, therefore, the more applicable part.

Besides, I don't need to know the specifics, and never cared to read
about them. The details aren't important -- it's the fact that it's
too theoretical and means nothing in the real world. Except of course
for the managers who learned all that crap and are actually trying to
follow it, as though it means something, and they're usually the worst
ones to work for because they have no clue about real life or a real
company.

As much as I don't believe in religion, the fundamental of theories and
application in real life is the same as religion. The more you trust it'll
work, the more likely it'll work for you. I did try it out in RL you know,
just to see how well it works, and it works. It's the people who don't
believe in it ruin the whole thing.

Let's not use the management theories as example since you don't seem to
believe in it. Let's use Capital Asset Pricing Model (CAPM) as example.
One has to be very naive to believe that's how the world functions and
invest accordingly. Yet, without the model, the financial market would be
in pure chaos, just because some of us still believe in that model that's
the only floor that supports the market from free falling. It's the same
concept as the words on your paper bill "In God we trust." What if you
don't believe in god does that mean your $100 bill doesn't worth anything
anymore? Or you could use the gold standard thing too. Do you really
believe if the U.S. government went bankrupt (which could happen) they
would actually give you $100 worth of gold? Of course not, but believing
in it makes the whole system stable. Self-fulfilling prophecy.

In other words, if you don't believe in the management theory, and stop
play this pretend game that everyone is playing, it's very possible you'll
be among the first ones the manager wants to fire during the economical
downfall. I know I would fire someone who is disruptive to the
organization's morale and overall productivity. I did not spend all my
time to raise the company morale just to be ruined by some disgruntle
coworkers. We want to get along with each other, you know. Money is more
easily earned if everyone is cooperative and make the work place a happier
environment. If you rub my back, I'll rub yours.

The store manager never believed in modern management. That's why people
quit in strove. She is out of date. She told everyone she wanted everyone
to be happy working, but she told me I didn't whip employees enough. Even
without her telling me those very words, EVERYONE in the store knew what
game she was playing. She wasn't genuine, and that's why it was a sad
place to work at. Not to brag, but only use it as a contrast, when I left,
people actually asked me to stay, and one guy said it'll affect the entire
company morale (and I did weigh such factor in when I quit, but I really
had enough, so I can't always keep everyone happy..., because I already
stay there for 6-months longer than I intended). The few who didn't quit
afterward still remember me to this day when I ran into them in school and
wished me to be back to be their sales coach.

I knew how to run the company by making everyone happy. Happy employees
are productive employees. Less turnover rate and less training cost.
Fundamental of modern management. Basic risk/return trade off. Besides,
well-trained employees can keep customers happier, and that's how we build
customer base. Would you buy stuff in a store where every employees look
so sad and don't care what they sell? I always test out theories against
reality to see if they work or not. I am a cynic and a major pessimist (if
you haven't noticed that trait of me already), but I also keep an open-mind
so it won't be a confounding factor in the experiment.

Yes, I admit that means people like me won't last long in an organization.
I quit out of frustration that few people want to ruin it for everyone so
badly. It's really hard work to build morale, you know, but it only takes
a slight gesture to ruin everything.

I got rejected in the job fair by
employers one after another, all without apparent reasons, though I spent
so much time prepared for it.

You're trying to be logical again. There don't have to be apparent
reasons. Who the hell knows who those people are thinking.

We don't. And you are right that logics can't explain everything. Some
are simply malicious for no reason, not even for selfish reason. They
would speak ill of others out of whim and when I asked them what did they
mean by that, they said there was no reason.

Since the teacher said the test is an "internal control" for her to know
whether people actually did their own project (or copied from other
people),

Hmm... she's never tutored, has she?

She tutored me on the project..., but she never told anybody answers, and
she told people in the tutoring center not to tutor her students for that
project.

We have after class session we could go and since I was back to school from
the field, I think I began to appreciate the merit of taking advantage of
those tutoring session. Having some work experience somewhat changed my
mentality that I don't need help from anyone. I wonder if what I just said
means anything to you. I did change and know what RL is all about you
know. It's only through crisis that someone would recognize a need for a
change.

Absolute advantage theory has to do with life too, if you think about it.

Absolute advantage theory? See... there you go again. You keep
pulling this garbage out of books and studies and it has no real
meaning. You make one comment indicating an understanding of the real
world and then stick your head back into this nonsense again.

Sigh.

My experience isn't the same as yours, so please stop thinking my life
would mirror yours, or I haven't seen the real world yet. In my eyes you
haven't seen the real worlds either, but how is that fair to you if I said
that?

Anyways, some people were born genius (but most likely they don't know,
because it's natural to them). No matter what you do, you can't win over
them in the subject they excel at. It's smarter not to compete with them
in that realm, is what I meant by absolute advantage is the same as real
life (assume you know the underlying meaning of the theory). BTW, if you
think you can do stuff without knowing the meaning/theory of it, then you'd
fail Turing Test that Poly keeps making fun of me about.

Another example. I remember someone in my Political Science said she
thought family value is BS (keep in mind this class is ultra-liberal and
they like to put down everything Republicans believe in). I asked her if
she had a good family relationship with her parents (she didn't want to say
anything). Trust me, most people who have absolute advantage don't know
they are in an advantageous position and therefore, it's only "normal".
Only what they have suffered from is "the real world." Be empathetic, if
you want to see how diverse this world can be and what people have suffered
from.

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Ashikaga - a28 3/19/2007 1:33:36 PM
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