Re: Cluebook Conundrum

On Sat, 13 May 2006 21:00:07 -0700, thehawk
<thehawk5150at@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

erimess wrote:
On Sat, 13 May 2006 06:23:48 -0700, thehawk
<thehawk5150at@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I paid less, but that was a few years back. I wish EA would do something
nice, like rerelease the games and documentation. Fat chance of that
though.

They're too stupid. Everyone rose to their level of incompetancy. :-)

Unfortunately, everyone has 'risen' to their level. However, they are
making money Hannover Fist, so they are doing what they are supposed to
be doing. What really happened (I think) is the level of gamer has
declined, and very few of them want to have to think. Ever. So games
are made to those specifications.

Sadly, probably so.


Takes me longer, but I'm not a great web designer.
I suck at design, but coding is no problem.

I'm not sure what is considered the "design" part. I kind of look at
it as three things: coding, organization, and artistic design. I'd be
good at the coding if I'd take the time to learn more. (I never even
finished the 2nd chapter in my book but can figure much out on my own.
I can do most simple stuff.) I'm great at organzation, which is why I
think most web sites stink cause they're so illogically set up. The

In a real life company (like the one I should be working for come Monday
22 May- keep your fingers crossed!), a graphic artist or graphic
designer will draw out what a page looks like, using something like
Illustrator or something. It doesn't actually -do- anything, it is just
an image file.

Yes, but this still leaves open the question of who decides how to
organize the site and know what needs to be there, in order for these
artists to decide what it is going to look like.

Or perhaps that is part of the problem with all these sites than
stink...


Those coders then build the actual functional page, with buttons and
text and whatever other gizmonics (sliding menus, buttons that change
when your mouse passes over or you click, and stuff like that) that the
designers want.

I wouldn't want to do that. I want to do the whole thing. Even if
the artistic part is a weak point. Things I do don't look lousy, but
they're not always too imaginative. OTOH, I don't ever plan on
working at a company big enough to even need a full-time webmaster,
let alone big enough to have at least one person designing and one
person coding. Even if I could actually do it for a living, I'd
prefer doing small companies freelance. And they'd have to be
companies that liked uncomplicated stuff. (I think a lot of times
that if I ever had it to do over again, this is what I would've done
instead of accounting. But I was barely on the internet when I went
back for my degree and so wasn't even close to thinking about such
things. And now I'm way behind the game, and since it's only a hobby,
won't ever really get caught up.)


Graphic designers can be -very- particular of their work, by the way,
and have been known to fly off the handle when an element is off by one
single pixel.

Another good reason for me to do everything. I'd be likely to tell
them if they don't like it, they can do it themselves. And I'm not
much of a team player. I like to do things my way. (With certain
exceptions.)


Altho I
use Photoshop, so it may not be all that simple (I love the software,
but it has a steep curve)

Oh yes... my brother has Photoshop. He's a photographer, though
technically an amateur. It took him quite some time to learn that

I am somewhat of a very beginning amateur photographer too, altho I
originally got into Photoshop for manipulating images for various game
stuff. The only reason I use Photoshop is that it was much less
expensive than anything else I could buy- I got the educational discount
because I worked for a school district.

Well, I got my original Paintshop Pro free, except it was a trial
version. And they mean it. I've never figured out how they rigged
it. Funny thing, it's a 30 day trial but it'll work for about 6
months. And then I get it again any time I reinstalled Windows. But
last fall, in the middle of doing photos for eBay, the trial thing ran
out and I had to fumble my way through another cheapo thing I had of
my dad's. (Actually, I have an old DOS Paintshop Pro, but it's not as
user friendly, though it does still do a lot.) After that, I decided
to give in and buy one used, and got only one version back for $25 on
eBay, with a *manual*!! (Like I've looked at it. :-)) Guy I bought
it from was really nice and even gave me some hints and stuff.


program, and I think he still doesn't know stuff. I too have
Paintshop Pro, and know almost nothing about it. I only use it to
somewhat fix up photos, and that mostly for stuff I sell on eBay. I'm
slowly getting better at it, but a photographer I am not. I wouldn't
really need something that nice, except it came with the puter and I
got spoiled by it. :-)

I hear you. I know Photoshop can do thousands upon thousands of things,
and I think I use it for about ten.

Yup, sounds like me. I have yet to even learn how to customize the
toolbar for this version. :-) My brother would think I'd gone mad if
he knew I spent even $25 for something this elaborate when I don't use
it. However, there's always the future.

I should sit down with a book, and
actually learn something about what I am trying to do, but I can't be
bothered to make my life easier like that yet.

I've never had time.
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Erimess Dragon
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