Re: How do I win from here?

On Mar 10, 9:17 pm, help bot <nomorech...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 10, 7:46 pm, ttk5...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

  Ah, then perhaps you will demonstrate to us, Greg, how White wins
from the OP's given position. Or even manages to "advance his king" or
"exchange rooks" advantageously, which you consider to be the paths to
victory.

  Actually, the credit belongs to the creators
of the endgame table bases, not me.  

I merely
did some very simple research.

That's a first for you, Greg. Then please tell us, O Great One, what
winning method the tablebase oracle revealed to you, aside from hoping
that Black puts his rook en prise.

Maybe
someone can "view" the game, and tell us
what the next move was?

That is quite irrelevant to a correct evaluation of the position.
The OP was not asking "What stupid moves should I wish my opponent
will make?", yet that is really the only kind of answer you have
provided.

given that the
white king is on the second rank and the black rook on the fourth, in
the given position. Black plays, say, 1...Rc3, and the white king is
likely to stay on his two back ranks indefinitely.

  I disagree.  

Then please demonstrate a method by which, after 1...Rc3, White can
advance his king beyond the second rank without allowing an exchange
of rooks that leaves a drawn position.

The trouble here is not that
White's King cannot move around;

You seem to have changed your tune. Earlier you said a key to
victory was for White to advance his king.

it is
that White's Rook cannot be utilized to
defend the base pawn without becoming
inactive; that, and the fact that if Black's
Rook keeps the checking distance, it
can harry the White King at will with
impunity.  

In other words, there is no way White can win against even modestly
competent play.

(Things are so much simpler
with Queens, don't you know, because
unlike with a Rook, the base pawn can
be sacrificed in return for a two-man
mating attack!)

Yes, and things are so much simpler in a knife fight if someone
hands you an AK-47. It would be so much simpler finding a drink in the
Sahara if it was dotted with lakes like Minnesota. It would have been
so much simpler for General Lee at Gettysburg if the Union Army had
recruited chickens instead of men.

An exchange of
rooks in such a situation leaves the black king in fine position to
deal with the white pawns, for example 2.Re3 Rxe3 3.Kxe3 Ke5 and it's
a dead draw.

  Once again, you have analyzed the
**wrong position**.  

No, I just transcribed one move incorrectly, hitting "e" instead of
"f". Here is the sequence I had in mind:

1... Rc3 2. Re3 Rxe3 3. Kxe3 Kf5 4. Kf3 Ke5 -- Now it's a dead draw,
for example 5. g4 hxg4+ 6. Kxg4 Kf6 7. h5 Kg7 etc. If White does not
advance his pawn, the kings just shuffle back and forth ad infinitum.

The graphic link at
the top of this thread shows the Black
King cannot reach the e5 square in
one move, since it sits on g6.

See above correction.

  In the original post, it was not stated
who was on-move, and the question
itself ,"how do I win this", implied it was
White to move (why ask how you can
win, if you are behind?).

And why try to answer that question with magical thinking, rather
than chess logic?

 With Black on
move, things are even tougher here.

No, it's a draw no matter who is to move.
.

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