Re: Recommendation for repetoire book(s)

Ray Gordon <ray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Now it's just a matter of extending my opening book to the point where I
>>> can routinely defeat the world's best players without leaving my book.
>>> That is how Fischer did it (if you check his games you'll find that he
>>> almost never deviated from his repertoire), and that is how I intend to
>>> do it.
>>
>> Almost never deviating from repertoire is not the same thing as winning
>> all your games (or even most of them) without leaving book.
>
> Having a 150 mph serve in tennis won't make one a winner, but that
> doesn't mean it's a bad way to start building a game.

You claimed that Fischer routinely defeated the world's best players
without leaving his book, citing his narrow opening repertoire as
evidence. I pointed out that the evidence does not prove the conclusion
and you try to distract everyone by saying ``X does not imply Y in
tennis.'' Your point is? I mean, we can all see that, just because the
sky is blue doesn't mean that Beethoven was any good at writing music but
that doesn't help us establish anything about chess openings.


>>> The best example of how Fischer operated was his use of the Poisoned
>>> Pawn variation of the Sicilian as black. He didn't like the opening per
>>> se, except he loved that every idiot claiming to be his peer would play
>>> 10. e5 against it, which he had busted.
>>
>> That doesn't appear to be the case. The database with Fritz 8 gives
>> eleven games in which Fischer plays the black side of the poisoned pawn
>> (ECO B97). Chessgames.com only has ten of these games and no others.
>
> Was the first one against Geller?

I answered that question by posting a complete table of the games I could
find in databases. No, none of the games I know about have him playing
the black side of the poisoned pawn against Geller.


> My books 15 years ago were not as comprehensive as today's databases,
> keep in mind. Still, he exploited 10. e5 for all it was worth.

Yep. To be precise, it was worth two quick wins and an endgame win over
five years against players he would have been expected to routinely defeat
in pretty much any reasonable opening.


>> You're talking about Fischer-Geller, Monte Carlo 1967, yes? The game
>> that Fischer's wonderful demonstration of the correct line saw him
>> resign after 25 moves?
>
> Doesn't matter: the point is that Fischer showed that he played against
> his "pet line" differently than most of the world.

Differently but hardly any better.


> Geller was also like kryptonite to Fischer.

Indeed. Not many with a positive record against Fischer.


Dave.

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