Re: Another day, another reverse, another catastrophe

On Aug 31, 10:56?am, Will in New Haven
<bill.re...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I have always thought of a 4H bid over the reverse as just plain
discouraging. Using it to show good trumps means that we need another
bid to make sure we get to the Heart fit without showing anything good
at all. I agree with your evaluation of the hand as the Diamond
shortness and Spade Queen cannot be pulling their weight but I don't
know of any standard bid to show four Hearts except 3H, at least
somewhat encouraging, and 4H, a dog.

If the OP plays the very common usage of 2NT or the fourth suit,
whichever is cheaper, as a relay to allow showing a weak hand, then he
can use that with the dog, 4H with good trumps and nothing much else
(this hand) and 3H as encouraging. That would allow four "steps:"
Direct 3H, very encouraging, direct 4H, good trumps, cycle to 3H,
trying not even to get to game and cycle to 4H, bad but accepting
game. However, I don't think that's standard.

Will in New Haven

Will

The problem with your reasoning (and the presuppositions built into
your comments above) is that Henry and I DO NOT PLAY REVERSES AS
FORCING TO GAME. When you don't play reverses as game-forcing, then
using a jump to game as "discouraging" makes no sense (you jump to
game when you have a minimum response opposite a 16-count?).

You should think about this, and realize that "fast arrival"
structures only make sense in the context of game-forcing sequences.

Steve Sun

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