Re: which bid created the problem?

On May 9, 3:20 pm, Adam Beneschan <a...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On May 9, 1:55 am, "Peter Lipp" <peter.l...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Adam Beneschan" <a...@xxxxxxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitragnews:1178671985.204965.156780@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> So how would that make it any different from 1H-p-4H? That's another
preemptive bid you can make when the opponents are not bidding---would
you say this usage has no benefit?

I wouldn't really consider this to be preemptive in all cases, even if it de
facto may have the effect, rather than telling partner that I belive that 4H
is ist and don't bother unless we go for slam and then he will know. If the
bid describes the hand best, that it's fine, but preemtion shouldn't be the
main argument, since it also takes away our own bidding space, which may not
be a good idea sometimes....

I don't think anyone made "preemption" the main argument. I think
Andrew likes 1D-3H because it describes the hand well. He didn't
mention shutting the opponents out.

I think it's unfortunate that the standard terminology for such bids
is "preemptive", but we have to live with that. Bridge has never been
all that good at choosing the correct terminology. We name
conventions like Stayman after people who write about them rather than
after people who invent them. We have one convention, Lebensohl, that
is named after a non-existent person; and the actual person who they
were trying to name it after, Ken Lebensold, didn't have anything to
do with the convention. We have a Grand Slam Force that doesn't force
to a grand slam, and (as I like to make fun of frequently) an Unusual
Notrump that's so standard that it's unusual *not* to play it. Todd
Zimnoch pointed out that a 4-3-3-3 distribution can be referred to as
"square", "round", or "flat". So anyway, when someone describes a bid
as "preemptive" that doesn't necessarily mean that they care about
silencing the opponents. Sometimes it just means "a big jump with not
a lot of high card points".

-- Adam

I do think in Bridge World Standard, 1D - 3H is a splinter bid.

Eric Leong

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