Re: Two rulings


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"Tamuel" <bwestling.NOSPAM@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

2. You are playing a NT contract. Dummy held AKQJT9 in clubs, and
you
have
two aces. In hearts you hasve XX on dummy and Ax in hand. Opps (who
bid
hearts) starts with two rounds of hearts, and you cross to dummy
and
reels
off the clubs.

At the end of the clubs the RHO has trouble choosing a discard. Her
partner
has no problems. He discards a heart!

Now, this particular discard gives no inadvertent information to
RHO.
In
fact, I was happy that he discarded a heart, as he then would not
be
able
to
cash it should he gain entry.

I decided not to call the TD as it felt like a waste of time, but
what
is
the ruling in this case?

What happens when an opponent discards before his partner, when
it's
the
partners' turn?

Any card played (but not led) out of turn by a defender becomes a
major
penalty card. See Law 50 for the disposition of penalty cards.

What happens if this discard gives the partner enough information
to
successfully select the right discard?

Law 50D1 says that the exposed card is unauthorized information to
his
partner. So he must not choose any logical alternative play that is
demonstrably suggested by knowing his partner has that card.

WRONG LAW! The applicable law is:

Law 57A:

When a defender .....plays out of turn before his partner has played,
(penalty)
the card so led or played becomes a penalty card, and declarer selects
one
of the following options. He may:

Good catch! I misparsed the title of that law "Premature Play or Lead
to Next Trick", and thought that "to Next Trick" applied to both play
and lead, i.e. I read it as "Premature (Play or Lead) to Next Trick"
rather than "Premature Play or (Lead to Next Trick)".

Also, Law 50 says "A card prematurely exposed (but not led, see Law 57)
by a defender is a penalty card unless the Director designates
otherwise." Since this wasn't a lead, I thought the parenthetical
reference to Law 57 didn't apply.

Now I understand that it's necessary to decide whether LHO's card was
played or merely exposed, to determine whether Law 57 applies.

Not neccessarily:

Law 45C1: A defender's card held so that it is possible for his partner
to
see
its face must be played to the current trick (if the defender has already
made
a legal play to the current trick, see Law 45E).

There is no condition in Law 45C1 that it only applies to cards exposed
at
the defender's turn to play, consequently it applies also as in this case
when
a card is exposed before his partner has played to the current trick, and
that
card is therefore ruled to having been played immediately when exposed
and we are directly in Law 57.

The question of whether the card was played or exposed is in this case
thus immaterial.

I do remember when my partner, who was declarer, played a low card to my
Qxx. The RHO had problems, and could not decide whether he should rise
with
the ace or play low. He pondered for a while, and his partner, who had the
singleton king was worried. Eventually _he_ played the singleton king
before
his partner had played and tried to claim that trick! Well, if there was
one
way of assuring that partner would rise with the ace this was it.

The TD ruled that his partner was forced to rise with the ace, which I
assume is correct.


ABSOLUTELY !

Sven


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