Re: A story of ruling in NABC

"axman22@xxxxxxxxxxx" <axman22@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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>
> Bill Jacobs wrote:
>> "axman22@xxxxxxxxxxx" <axman22@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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>> >
>> > Bill Jacobs wrote:
>> >> David Stevenson <bridge2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in news:o
>> >> $H190fH40rDFwol@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
>> >>
>> >> > arrows wrote
>> >> >>I hope you can read the other side's story in case book.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Here's my story:
>
>> > Isn't the issue what EW say they would have done and whether it was
>> > convincing enough?
>> >
>> > And the point being that EW did not provide [a spontaneous]
>> > description which makes such suoing a bit dubious?
>>
>> No requirement for it to be spontaneous. Sometimes the implications
>> of an incorrect explanation take time to be recognized. There is no
>> justice in making EW immediately state how they might have got to
>> slam.
>>
>> Cheers ... Bill.
>
> It is normal to recognize what your system calls for- and avoids-
> given the situation.
>
> Consider at the table that correct information had been supplied. The
> normal course of events each player would take his action in a matter
> of seconds often without concern as to whether it is a momentous
> action.
>
> If a player cannot spontaneously recite it is systemic to do this
> andOR judge that but not such and such, I for one wonder if what he
> would have done at the table would have sent him over the cliff and
> whether he is trying to hide it. After all it is no greater test that
> seeing the setting originally, and he has the 'benefit' of additional
> facts to make his options more retrospect.
>
> I don't know what you mean by justice but it surely include
> considering first what the par result is and then looking for a
> plausible route to manipulate it. That is going about it the other
> way around. To get to justice you find out what would [probably] be
> done and then judge the plausible results. You aren't going to get
> the raw data if you give him a few hours to work the angles. If you
> want the raw data you are more likely to get it only at the earliest
> opportunity.
>
> regards
> axman
>
>

There is no raw data to be had. If EW had got the correct explanation,
there is no way that they can spontanteously state what would have
happened, because they cannot predict what their opponents might have
done. South might have raised clubs - he does have 6. North would
surely have bid again with his huge hand.

To expect EW (the innocent party) to instantly work out at the table all
the ramifications, not to mention what it is incumbent for NS (the guilty
party) to do, is plainly ridiculous.

Cheers ... Bill.

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