Re: Whats Wrong on Partygammon and Play65/Ge/BackgammonPrime

On 25 feb, 15:45, Rich <r...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:46:09 -0800 (PST), gruntingdw...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

What's the subject we're talking about in this thread?
"Games manipulation by Partygammon."
There, my conclusions are fully concordant with his own (and other people as well).

Even if we ignore the fact that Piranha claims that the only server
that has manipulated dice is PartyGammon and you think that they all
do, this does not then mean that he did not lie about it.

The devil is in the details.

 We know that Piranha has consistently claimed that dice on servers is
fair and that it would be suicide for a server to blatantly manipulate
the dice as if it were uncovered, it would be the end to that server.

This is addressed in the last part of my post, which you conveniently
cut out.

[snip Piranha's biography excerpt]

Now that you mention other servers
(GammonEmpire/Play65, TrueMoneyGames/XcitingGames)
it's understandable he wouldn't find any anomalies,
since he held some kind of ties with some of them.

* He said he had once got assigned some technical
task or assessment by GE/P65 which concluded in
(surprise) their dice being fair.

* He said he is/was a notorious person in a
leading or coordinating role for an European
players league.

So you are now  asserting that you believe
that Piranha lied about his findings.

Never said that.

Rich you're terrible -- you left out the whole last part of my post,
where your questions would get responded in advance!

Now I'm reposting what you conveniently left out, Scissors-man.

""
some people enjoy special status on servers.
Those people, at the very least, will be assured for their games to be
"fair," that is, exempted of any manipulation by the server monitor
software.
""

His tests over *his* GE/P65 games threw no trace of manipulation
indeed. I can believe that, agree with that and accept that as a
truth, because I think his games were in all likeliness *not*
manipulated. He was marked as a VIP somehow, so he wouldn't even need
to lie or fake his findings. It was all legit with *his* games -- not
so with many of *my* games.

Now reposting my last little piece:
""
Evidently Partygammon didn't set any deal (or came to bad
terms) with him, hence his denounces against them. There, he was just
one more shark in the pool, his games exposed to be subjected to
manipulation. He just tasted the medicine he didn't was given on other
servers.
""

In the past Piranha didn't accept that dice manipulation was being
effected on any servers, just because he didn't get subjected to it on
the servers he used to play. Fair enough for me.
But when the time came that one server did touch him hard in the ass,
then he became a believer and denounced it. Fair enough too.

In either case I don't think he lied.

Funny how you believe he tells the truth when it
agrees with your perception but lie when he does not.

Funny that you find that funny.

A bit selective, are you not?

AFAIAC I don't trust anything Piranha says. And I have good reason to
think that. I have yet to see a single poster here who believes that
Piranha actually played that many games at PG over such a short period
of time. Do YOU believe him?

Sorry I'm not in charge of his private agenda, as you seem to be. I
bet you investigated his daily activities more closely than his
girlfriend.

I don't know about TMG/XG, but I'm sure a person
enjoying some special status on one server will
enjoy special treatment on the others as well,
for obvious commercial reasons...
Let's remember Hank Youngerman aka RedTop -back
then bg mate of notorious players and owner of a
renowned bg website- was included on TMG/XG VIP
list all the time since their beginning, that
meaning his games went UNMONITORED for bot-cheating.

All this is quite irrelevant to the question of whether > the dice are rigged on either PartyGammon or tmg.

It turns a bit relevant when you put back in place the whole last part
of my post, which you cut out.

WHY oh why did you cut a whole part of my post, Scissors-man??

Seriously, I'm not sure whether you're so dishonest as to resort to
cut text off, or just getting senile.
.

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