Re: Question for Pro-Life Wingnuts

On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 02:36:33 -0800, "Dutch" <no@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



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On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:28:23 -0800, "Dutch" <no@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Obviously a word is not a "being" but
they are used to describe such, including at what stage. A baby is not
aborted, a fetus or something less formed is.

True, I probably made a mess of that point. What I mean is that although a
fetus isn't a "baby", it has an awful lot in common with a baby, it's
*almost* a baby, it's more like a baby than anything else you can name.
The
extreme, and I consider misguided pro-choice advocates use "not a baby" to
equal "a toenail clipping" when in reality a fetus if left untouched has a
really high probability of becoming a baby. I still support choice, but
rational, eyes wide open, reality based, high road choice.

You've got it backwards. The misguided one is the anti-abortionist
calling a fetus a baby when it clearly is not a baby.

Clearly not a baby? really? It sure looks like one, has all the same parts,
grows into a person the same way. I think you're making a lot more of the
difference between a fetus and a baby than a sober view of reality would
dictate. The real difference is the status of the mother and difference in
her relationship to a fetus as opposed to an infant, physically and legally.

Yes, clearly not a baby. We've already established that the word
"baby" describes a thing that is not a fetus and that using the word
"baby" to describe a fetus is incorrect. Your argument is that it's
lame for a pro-choicer to make the distinction, and I'm saying that
you've got it backwards. Using the word "baby" to describe a fetus
is what's lame, as it's intentionally misleading and manipulative.

They do that
partly because the word "baby" carries an emotional charge that the
word "fetus" lacks. It's a rabble-rousing ploy.

And pro-choicers use their own rabble rousing rhetoric, see the subject line
here. Neither side's hands are clean on that score. If you hang for a while
in alt.abortion you will see the pro-choice vultures circling waiting to
launch a bloody attack on anyone who dares to challenge the choice side as
they see it, which in many cases is pretty shabby, the fetus is a parasite,
its no more than a hangnail, and you haven't heard ad hominem until you've
been there.

That's all well and good but completely irrelevant to the point under
discussion.


It further allows them to throw around the charge of "murder", a word
that is not only emotionally charged but also has a legal implication.
It's a dishonest attempt to equate abortion with a heinous crime.

It's not dishonest, it is based on a genuinely held belief, or perception,
that the fetus is a baby, or not sufficiently different from a baby to
warrant allowing it to be killed. I understand that point of view, I just
happen to believe that the fetus should be considered part of the woman
until it can survive on its own, just as Roe v Wade states.

It doesn't have to be dishonest, then, but it's certainly misleading.
That's enough to make it objectionable.
.

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