Re: The most prudent nation on Earth.


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NEXT TO FREE? So, if Americans pay for health care out of their
pockets
it costs them money, but if it is paid by the government it is next to
free. Where does the money that government pays for the health care
come
from? Maybe Norway, Sweden, France or England will pay for America's
health care, or just maybe Canada will be paying for it so that we can
get it for "next to free". And you call others delusional.

The whole idea of group insurance just kind of zooms right past you,
doesn't it?

Jim

Group insurance?
WTF are you talking about Jim? Bill is comparing the cost of health
insurance coverage paid for out of the insured's pocket (~$30,000) to
the
same coverage paid for through the government (~$30,000). And he says
that the government paid for health insurance coverage will cost "next
to
free". Even if the government suddenly turned out to be highly efficient
(that has seldom happened in the past and with a program this huge and
with 10-15% more people covered will be certain to cost more) and was
able
to reduce that cost, it will NEVER, IN NO WAY be any where near "next to
free".

The government can't make that payment, either as directed healthcare
payment or government paid premiums unless they take it away from some
citizens through taxation first.

It appears that Bill is making the assumption that citizens should pay
their earning into government taxation coffers as if the money never
really belonged to the citizen, and when the government uses it to pay
their healthcare premiums, then it is free money.

Whether government mandated control of healthcare decreases the cost as
BillB believes it will, or whether it increases the cost which I am most
certain it will (adding an additional 30-40 million patients will
certainly have an increased cost impact), the point is that when he says
"next to free" he's implying that the "average family of 4" will get
their
health insurance coverage paid for with almost no cost, yet that
healthcare will have to be paid for by someone and that "average family
of
4" will still pay for it through taxation if the government pays it.
IT'S
NOT 'NEXT TO FREE'.

Actually, European national health care systems cover their entire
populations and spend only around half the cost as a percentage of GDP on
health care as the US does:

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The difference being what the private insurance companies in the US
take for operating expenses and profit.
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Vs government graft and corruption in Europe?

How about what we pay n passed along R&D costs that Europeans don't, because
the gov't refuse to honor the patents if they can't set the prices?



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