Re: OT: World Ocean Temperatures Have Hottest July on Record

On Aug 20, 7:45 pm, ramashiva <ramash...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I normally don't get involved in the global warming debates because it
is just so silly to do so.  There is really no debate at all among
competent client scientists about the basic facts.  Sure there is a
lot of squabbling about details, and how to correctly interpret data.

Anyone who gets their information about Anthropogenic Global Warming,
or AGW, from real climate scientists like I do understands that the
whole global warming "debate" is a transparent sham generated by oil
company shills and idiotic mouthpieces like Senator James Inhofe.

If you want to know what real climate scientists are saying, here is
an excellent source --

http://www.realclimate.org/

All you whacked out nutcases who think we have been experiencing
global cooling since 1998 are beyond clueless.  Sure, 1998 is the
hottest year on record, but the overall trend is still up.  One
outlying data point does not reverse a long pattern of steadily
increasing global temperatures.  I'm too lazy to look it up, but
something like the ten hottest years on record have occurred since
1997.

So 1998 is the hottest year on record.  No one disputes that.  It may
surprise you to know that global ocean temperatures were hotter in
July, 2009 than they were in July, 1998.

As Russ used to say, you can't argue with the truth, logic just gets
in the way.  Here is some truth for you climate change contrarians to
consider --

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090820/ap_on_sc/us_sci_warm_oceans_2

In hot water: World's ocean temps warmest recorded

By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer Seth Borenstein, Ap Science
Writer

Thu Aug 20, 2:00 pm ET

WASHINGTON – The world's oceans this summer are the warmest on record.

The National Climatic Data Center, the government agency that keeps
weather records, says the average global ocean temperature in July was
62.6 degrees. That's the hottest since record-keeping began in 1880.
The previous record was set in 1998.

Meteorologists blame a combination of a natural El Nino weather
pattern on top of worsening manmade global warming. The warmer water
could add to the melting of sea ice and possibly strengthen some
hurricanes.

The result has meant lots of swimming at beaches in Maine with
pleasant 72-degree water. Ocean temperatures reached 88 degrees as far
north as Ocean City, Md., this week.

The Gulf of Mexico, where warm water fuels hurricanes, has
temperatures dancing around 90. Most of the water in the Northern
Hemisphere has been considerably warmer than normal. The Mediterranean
is about three degrees warmer than normal. Higher temperatures rule in
the Pacific and Indian Oceans.

It's most noticeable near the Arctic, where water temperatures are as
much as 10 degrees above average.

Breaking heat records in water is more ominous as a sign of global
warming than breaking temperature marks on land. That's because water
takes longer to heat up and doesn't cool off as easily, said climate
scientist Andrew Weaver of the University of Victoria in British
Columbia.

"This is another yet really important indicator of the change that's
occurring," Weaver said.

Got that, geniuses?  Anyone who denies the reality of global warming
is the exact equivalent of the frog in a gradually heated pot of water
who never notices the water is getting warmer until it is too late.

Wake the *** up already.  If you don't believe global warming is
real, then you are a gullible fool who has swallowed transparent lies.

William  Coleman  (ramashiva)

You really are a naive, ignorant, elitist that reads a short news clip
released by the alarmists, and thinks he knows something. The high
temps you refer to are not ocean temps, but SURFACE temps only. This
occurs when the trade winds pile surface water in one spot (against
the coast of S America) instead of mixing it up as is normal. This is
called El Nino. The temps currently do not approach anywhere near the
temps recorded in the 1997-98 super El Nino which caused the high
temps that year. 1999 AND 2000 that followed were much cooler years
because so much heat had been released by this event. If you average
the temps over several years, these events do not cause any heating or
cooling, just dips and spikes in the local temps.
The ARGO project run by JPL has shown an overall slight ocean
cooling since 2002 (exactly the opposite of what was expected). The
ARGO floats (all 3341 of them) dive to depths of 2000 meters and
report the TOTAL ocean temp, not just the surface.
There have been 20,000 cancellations of reservations for the
conference in Copenhagen next December due to the collapse of data
supporting global warming and the subsequent re-evaluation of the
whole issue.
I was having a beer with some of my science and engineering
friends a few months ago. I said that the alarmists are so desperate
for good news (warming), that just one month of warmer weather than
the month before would have new calls for "the debate is over". I was
RIGHT! By the way. June 2009 had a temperature anomaly of 0.000 deg,
meaning that it was no warmer that month than June of 1979. Also, the
July spike in temps is dropping like a rock, and if the last 30 years
are any guide, the next several months will be much cooler, due to
this quick release of ocean heat instead of the usual more even
release. Arctic ice is back to normal also. Gore's "five years and it
will all be gone" is laughable.
Ten years from now, many present day alarmists will be looking for
jobs. At least those that haven't retired already.

Busted

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