Re: Connecting them dots Unk

On Jan 26, 11:54 am, joeturn <joeturn2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Lets try this link the other stuff gets edited too fast

http://crooksandliars.com/2007/08/16/an-embarrassed-fox-news-hits-wik...

just in case that one goes south


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An embarrassed Fox News hits Wikipedia
By Steve Benen Wednesday Aug 15, 2007 6:49pm It's been a rough week
for our ol' friends at Fox News. Thanks to some IP-address based
research, the political world learned that the FNC was responsible for
"touching up" Wikipedia pages, editing content that didn't fit with
the partisan network's political agenda.

Download | play Download | play

For example, embarrassing content from Media Matters about FNC
personalities was quietly removed. Criticism of Keith Olbermann and Al
Franken was accentuated. The network that specializes in on-air
propaganda had taken its usual schtick to Wiki pages.

With that in mind, it shouldn't surprise anyone that Fox News' Chris
Wallace -- you guessed it -- sought to undermine Wikipedia's
credibility with a report tonight.

The irony is rich. Pay particular attention to the references to "self-
serving agendas" and businesses desperate to "improve their public
image."

Fox News tried to exploit Wikipedia, and got caught, so naturally it's
time to undermine the source of the network's embarrassment. Typical.

(h/t C&Ler Jerald)

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One more time. It's not Fox
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 18:52 — LongTooth (not verified)
One more time.

It's not Fox News.

It's Fox "News".

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What's new 95% of the population is
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 18:55 — PollM (not verified)
What's new 95% of the population is sold on whatever you tell them,
and 98% sold if the government tells them. So why not keep feeding
them Propaganda, they buy we sell what they want.. Democracy at work
-----> http://www.YouPolls.com

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Fox News: "Does Wikipedia hate
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 18:55 — Jim (not verified)
Fox News: "Does Wikipedia hate America?"

Or:

"Wikipedia (D-Internet)"

When the dems win in 2008 I wonder if we can get some basic truth in
advertising legislation to force Fox to at least label itself as
Conservative News.

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if Wiki is so unreliable, why the hell
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 18:55 — Flamethrower (not verified)
if Wiki is so unreliable, why the hell are they on there trying to
gussy up their image?

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Faux News. It is simply impossible to
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 18:58 — Straight Shooter (not verified)
Faux News. It is simply impossible to underestimate their level of
ethics.

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Fox is news from the rich to excite the
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 18:59 — john (not verified)
Fox is news from the rich to excite the poor.

Oldest game in the book.

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FOX news hates, fair and
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:02 — MailMan (not verified)
FOX news hates, fair and imbalanced.

If you attack they lie and distort and of course, the other news
outlets save Olberman report none of the falsehoods and at times they
(CNN/MSNBC) echo these lies..

FOX News - GOP Filter

M-m

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Sounds like Keith's covering the
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:03 — Bush Bites (not verified)
Sounds like Keith's covering the Wikipedia thing tonight.

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Same old same old. They get busted and
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:03 — Greg (not verified)
Same old same old. They get busted and it's time to smear. Isn't this
the same thing this administration does. They hire someone and praise
he *** out of them, then when they come clean the call them names and
make accusations?

Their next defense is Wiki is run by Soros. Time for Billo to call
them Nazis.

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Meh. A news channel with a "comedy"
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:05 — nonbeliever (not verified)
Meh. A news channel with a "comedy" show ends up having to cancel said
show because it sucked. No one with 2 braincells to rub together takes
Wallace, Hannity of O'loufah or anyone on that network seriously.

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I love the ending, where they reveal
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:06 — The Man (not verified)
I love the ending, where they reveal Blair's last name...

Yes, THAT's the lingering question left by this report. Now that we've
wrapped up all the loose ends, on to Jenna Bush.

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So did Wallace recommend to use
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:08 — Blue Buddha (not verified)
So did Wallace recommend to use Conservapedia instead? :lol:

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....And they're only five years behind
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:08 — Thursday (not verified)
....And they're only five years behind the rest of the world.

Broken - Er, Breaking News!

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Gotta catch em'
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:09 — sharkcellar (not verified)
Gotta catch em' all!

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The Man @ 11: I love the ending,
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:09 — strawberry (not verified)
The Man @ 11:

I love the ending, where they reveal Blair's last name...

Yes, THAT's the lingering question left by this report. Now that we've
wrapped up all the loose ends, on to Jenna Bush.

Sorry to go off topic, but that look on Jenna's boyfriend's face was
priceless. He looked like a male praying mantis right after mating.

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I thought this report was done quite
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:12 — Graham (not verified)
I thought this report was done quite well actually, for Fox Noise
anyway. I thought they handled it in a pretty balanced fashion, and I
don't understand why anyone would take issue with the piece.

I mean come on. Don't just hate for hating's sake. There's plenty to
pick at Fox News about without having to resort to attacking for the
sake of it.

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the thing that makes wikipedia so great
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:12 — ctk in ky3 (not verified)
the thing that makes wikipedia so great is also one of it's biggest
flaws: anyone can edit it. for those who don't see a problem with
this, consider the following- say someone wrote a wiki article about
you (since you yourself can't do it) and they write some things about
you. then say someone that you pissed off pretty badly finds this wiki
article and they make some changes, not necisserily negative, but say
remove some of the positive things that you did.

say someone in the obama camp edited something on hillary's wiki page,
or vice versa. same thing. its not that their pages were edited, its
who they edited, what was edited, and who did the editing that is the
real sticking point.

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Wow, there's such a thing as wikipedia?
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:13 — Doug (not verified)
Wow, there's such a thing as wikipedia? Fox News is always on top of
the latest internet breakthroughs. I heard there's a website called
Crooks & Liars but I won't believe it until Fox News breaks this
story.

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Are we seeing a pattern here? The
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:13 — TimV (not verified)
Are we seeing a pattern here? The attack on DailyKos and now
Wikipedia. Methinks that at the core, Fox hates open forums of
information. But then again... that's just me.

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it's time for an all-out campaigne
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:15 — dadams (not verified)
it's time for an all-out campaigne against fnc.
we need to organize and let ALL of fnc's advertizers we will boycott
all their products.
yes, that is a real challenge,but will be worth it to remove this
lying
bunch of bastards. r murddock go *** yourself.

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[...] entries that don’t reflect well
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:18 — Think Progress » FBI, CIA employees editing
Wikipedia entrie (not verified)
[...] entries that don’t reflect well on the network. And now that
they’ve been caught, Fox News is turning its guns on Wikipedia. 8:13
pm | [...]

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Somewhere a brass gorilla is missing
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:18 — myiq2xu (not verified)
Somewhere a brass gorilla is missing its balls.

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Let's face it, Wikopedia is a quick and
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:20 — Snowball (not verified)
Let's face it, Wikopedia is a quick and easy information resource, but
it is not authoritative, especially on controversial or political
subjects. I have watched over the years as its definition of Fascism
has been garbled and watered down by Libertarians, Republicans and
other right wing corporatists and authoritarians who have tried to
rewrite history and define it as something other than corporatism. On
some days, to read wiki's definition, you would think that Fascism was
synonymous with left wing ideology. It's complete rubbish.

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So what happens now? Will or can
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:22 — Bluestater (not verified)
So what happens now? Will or can someone go back and correct what Fox
did?

Let's see if the MSM follows this one? Fox "News" is the poorest
excuse for journalism ever.

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Snowball @ 23: Let's face it,
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:26 — Bluestater (not verified)
Snowball @ 23:

Let's face it, Wikopedia is a quick and easy information resource, but
it is not authoritative, especially on controversial or political
subjects. ...

Yes, that's true, but it still should not allow Fox "News" to polish a
turd -- its turd. Fox News is a joke and it should be held as such.
Funny, how the truth has a way of coming back and kicking them right
in the crotch.

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If Chris Wallace's dad wasn't who he
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:27 — julia (not verified)
If Chris Wallace's dad wasn't who he is, he'd be working at WalMart,
if whoever his dad was managed a WalMart.

What a buffoon.

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Fox, Breaking News in half, only
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:28 — lafin gas (not verified)
Fox, Breaking News
in half,
only giving you the right side
I mean the wrong side.

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the reason FNC has higher ratings than
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:28 — GE (not verified)
the reason FNC has higher ratings than any other network in the US is
because they have monopolized 100% conservative viewership while the
rest of the country is spread out between nbc, cbs, abc, msnbc, cnn,
ect, ect, ect. fnc does not care if they it gets caught meddling with
wikipedia, exposed by dailykos and media matters because that
viewership is not going anywhere.

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People who watch FOX Infotainment can
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:29 — abarts (not verified)
People who watch FOX Infotainment can use computers?

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Got caught with your hand in the cookie
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:32 — Ronin Tetsuro (not verified)
Got caught with your hand in the cookie jar?

Blame the cookie jar for existing in the first place!

Man, if only I was dumb enough to subscribe to wingnut logic. Must be
a simple existence.

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Graham @ 16: I thought this report
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:35 — Doggiebobo (not verified)
Graham @ 16:

I thought this report was done quite well actually, for Fox Noise
anyway. I thought they handled it in a pretty balanced fashion, and I
don't understand why anyone would take issue with the piece.

I mean come on. Don't just hate for hating's sake. There's plenty to
pick at Fox News about without having to resort to attacking for the
sake of it.

I agree...one of the best Faux Noise reports I have seen...of course
not live, since I
refuse to watch that particular channel, but gain my insight here on
C&L and Media
Matters. Seems to me it was "fair and balanced"...as much as I hate to
admit.

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This really isn't surprising especially
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:35 — Joe O. (not verified)
This really isn't surprising especially since Fox News operates in
much the same way as a news outlet in North Korea.

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faux snooze.....at least someone caught
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:36 — *** head (not verified)
faux snooze.....at least someone caught them

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Bluestater@24 Oh, don't get me wrong,
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:38 — Snowball (not verified)
Bluestater@24

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm glad that Fox got caught with its pants
down. It seems that the CIA has also been caught doing the same thing:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/16/fbi-cia-employees-editing-wikipedia-...

This has long been my problem with wikipedia.

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"You libs are taking these changes out
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:38 — Dr. Matt (not verified)
"You libs are taking these changes out of context"
~Reich-winger rebuttal.

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Snowball @ 34: Bluestater@24 Oh,
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:40 — Dr. Matt (not verified)
Snowball @ 34:

Bluestater@24

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm glad that Fox got caught with its pants
down. It seems that the CIA has also been caught doing the same thing:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/16/fbi-cia-employees-editing-wikipedia-...

This has long been my problem with wikipedia.

O'Reilly was throwing a hissy fit last week that 'bourne supremacy' is
anti-American because it made the CIA look like bad guys.

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I read some of the editing and I guess
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:41 — Joe O. (not verified)
I read some of the editing and I guess it could have been worse. Fox
News could have placed pictures of Bush's ass on those Wiki pages and
indicated where to kiss it. Nah, that would have been to obvious.
Everyone would have known right off that it was Fox News that placed
those pictures there in the first place.

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The first thing you need to know about
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:43 — SadButTrue (not verified)
The first thing you need to know about FOX "news" - they went to court
in 2003 to defend their 'first amendment right' to knowingly lie to
their viewers.
Court Ruled That Media Can Lie. And sadly, won.

It's all part of a larger plot by the corporate right begun shortly
after Watergate to make sure that the public would never again know
enough about a corrupted administration to force a resignation.
What Happened to the American Media?

The demise of the fairness doctrine, the dismantling of the rules
limiting ownership - all played into the hands of Rupert Murdoch. The
truth is the big loser.

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Corporate Media, the CIA, where's the
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:45 — Snowball (not verified)
Corporate Media, the CIA, where's the dividing line?

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Did they edit the Wiki entry that
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:46 — GSD (not verified)
Did they edit the Wiki entry that states Rupert Murdochs' face looks a
lot like Brittany Spears crotch when she's getting out of a car?

-GSD

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GSD @ 40: Did they edit the Wiki entry
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:49 — Snowball (not verified)
GSD @ 40:

Did they edit the Wiki entry that states Rupert Murdochs' face looks a
lot like Brittany Spears crotch when she's getting out of a car?

The wiki editors get obvious stuff like that out pretty quick. Its the
more subtle things that they aren't so good at.

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Sorry Fox News. Ain't gonna
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:51 — patience (not verified)
Sorry Fox News. Ain't gonna work.

There are more wikipedia users than Fox News Viewers.

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The sheer unadulterated audacity of
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:51 — RobertPaul (not verified)
The sheer unadulterated audacity of these guys just blows my mind.
"Oh, and by the way, we, like all these corporations, use the Wiki to
make changes." Ho hum!
Wal-Mart changing their own site is one thing, but Faux Noise changing
a competitors site info is just freaking wrong!

I hope Keith Olbermann chews their head off for:
1. Making the changes and
2. For this Bull *** "Story" they did to justify it.

These guys make me want to puke...

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"the reason FNC has higher ratings than
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:52 — zonk (not verified)
"the reason FNC has higher ratings than any other network in the US is
because they have monopolized 100% conservative viewership while the
rest of the country is spread out between nbc, cbs, abc, msnbc, cnn,
ect, ect, ect. fnc does not care if they it gets caught meddling with
wikipedia, exposed by dailykos and media matters because that
viewership is not going anywhere."

Viewership not going anywhere???
With an AVERAGE AGE OF 75, I'd say Fox viewers are going
somewhere...SOON.

Zonk

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Of course the Fox viewers are not going
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:55 — Snowball (not verified)
Of course the Fox viewers are not going anywhere. That's why they are
a bunch of paranoid losers who blame their own failures on minorities,
women, gays, non-Christians and immigrants.

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What a bunch a f***brains, they didn't
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:59 — Arroyo (not verified)
What a bunch a f***brains, they didn't even have the smarts to know
that they should go to an Internet Cafe and do their revisionist
history making.

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Never mind partisan-tinkering, is that
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 19:59 — shantiquaX (not verified)
Never mind partisan-tinkering, is that Chris Wallace's real face, or
am I having a LSD flashback? Since when did cartoon characters deliver
the "news"?

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Arroyo @ 46: What a bunch a
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 20:02 — Snowball (not verified)
Arroyo @ 46:

What a bunch a f***brains, they didn't even have the smarts to know
that they should go to an Internet Cafe and do their revisionist
history making.

They do now, so watch out!

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notice how Faux doesn't mention that
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 20:03 — Dahgrostab'ph-r-i (not verified)
notice how Faux doesn't mention that when it was their computers
making changes it wasn't to make Faux look better but to make other
people look worse or really to damage their credibility...that's kind
of glossed over, but then again it's now legal for Faux to make up
news as they see fit, according to an appeals judge...I didn't hear
Mann Coulter cry about activist judges then, but again, that's
typical.

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LISTEN UP: I strongly recommend that
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 20:05 — LISTEN UP (not verified)
LISTEN UP: I strongly recommend that everyone proceed to Wikipedia and
open up a new account. Once there, add 4-5 pages to your WATCH LIST.
Ensure they are topics that you know something about.

WARNING: Do not direct all of your time editing Wikipedia because that
would be a monumental waste of energy. However, please do contribute,
because right now, right-wingers are taking over the asylum.

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In the case of Chris Wallace, the case
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 20:06 — Bluestater (not verified)
In the case of Chris Wallace, the case can definitely be made that an
apple can indeed fall far from the tree.

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Ooh, and Keith just laid yet another
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 20:10 — BlueKnuckle (not verified)
Ooh, and Keith just laid yet another brilliant double-smackdown on
BillO for Worst Person in the World tonight.

I hope it gets posted.

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Go to wikipedia and look up
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 20:11 — Bush the Liar (not verified)
Go to wikipedia and look up wanker.

Wanker is President Bush

LOL

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Wonder what Mike thinks of his lying
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 20:12 — PopeTodd (not verified)
Wonder what Mike thinks of his lying hack of an offspring?

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Snowball @ 45: Of course the Fox
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 20:14 — BlueKnuckle (not verified)
Snowball @ 45:

Of course the Fox viewers are not going anywhere. That's why they are
a bunch of paranoid losers who blame their own failures on minorities,
women, gays, non-Christians and immigrants.

Don't forget feminists and lesbians. Oh, and I don't know if "non-
Christians" covers pagans.

Ah, Falwell....

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Bush the Liar @ 53: Go to wikipedia
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 20:15 — BlueKnuckle (not verified)
Bush the Liar @ 53:

Go to wikipedia and look up wanker.

Wanker is President Bush

LOL

Sweet Jebus! That's funny.

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Much like their beloved Bush
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 20:18 — OK (not verified)
Much like their beloved Bush administration, Fox News is ruthless,
ethics-free and shameless. They won't feel shame until they are
publically derided and mocked into shutting the F**k Up. Keep up the
good work C&L.

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lafin gas @ 27: Fox, Breaking News
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 20:27 — bill w (not verified)
lafin gas @ 27:

Fox, Breaking News
in half,
only giving you the right side
I mean the wrong side.

The right side IS the wrong side.

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just go to google & look up
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 20:33 — diana (not verified)
just go to google & look up 'wanker'--first listing--LOL

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their communists...simple as
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 20:37 — mudshark (not verified)
their communists...simple as that

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A little Orwellian wouldn't you say?
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 20:39 — Spicegal (not verified)
A little Orwellian wouldn't you say? Winston's job at the ministry of
truth was to re-write stories and re-write history so that it would be
favorable to Big Brother. The Fox people are pretty darn creepy.
Obviously, honesty is not a big issue with them.

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Fox needs to be exposed to the world.
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 20:42 — Spicegal (not verified)
Fox needs to be exposed to the world. We need to stay on top of these
guys.

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The FCC went nuts over Howard Stern's
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 20:46 — LanceThruster (not verified)
The FCC went nuts over Howard Stern's telling of sex and fart jokes,
yet a supposed legitimate "news" org can pull this crap and get away
with it. Are there NO standards to enforce? Truth in advertising and
other guidelines control business practices in any number of fields
(at least till the criminal ShrubCo gave everyone { at least if you're
Rethugliscum} a get out of jail free card) , but the lies and
transparent propaganda of these fascists is no big deal.

Bush Misadministration, go Cheney yourselves!

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Wed, 08/15/2007 - 20:47 — mdclarke (not verified)
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I was surprised to hear them actually
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 21:01 — Mugsy (not verified)
I was surprised to hear them actually admit towards the end, "And yes
even [computers at] Fox News [were used to edit Wikipedia pages]."

They glossed over it, and lumped themselves in with a bunch of other
companies to suggest "everyone does it" and the edits were only
regarding their finances or business practices, but definitely didn't
admit they were actively sabotaging the pages of rivals & critics.

They do that a lot... include "just enough truth" so that if anyone
calls them on their deception, they can always point and say, "See
here! Look how Fair & Balanced we are!".

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[...] Clark Contact the
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 21:01 — University Update - Al Franken - An
embarrassed Fox News hit (not verified)
[...] Clark Contact the Webmaster Link to Article al franken, al
franken An embarrassed Fox News hits Wikipedia » Posted at Crooks
[...]

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It's "Do as we say not as we do" the
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 21:09 — MargeAggedon (not verified)
It's "Do as we say not as we do" the standard repug belief system.

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No really, I'd like to know if anyone
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 21:29 — PopeTodd (not verified)
No really, I'd like to know if anyone knows what Mike thinks of the
douche bag who claims to be kin.

Anyone have that info?

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Do they teach fox news models to raise
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 21:32 — Antillectual (not verified)
Do they teach fox news models to raise the left eyebrow when
delivering the news?

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I can't stand that pic. That smug look
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 21:33 — JohnnyBravo (not verified)
I can't stand that pic. That smug look on Chris Wallace's face needs
to be slapped off. I wish Clinton knocked him out.

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Ronin Tetsuro @ 30: Got caught with
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 21:35 — LibertyLover (not verified)
Ronin Tetsuro @ 30:

Got caught with your hand in the cookie jar?

Blame the cookie jar for existing in the first place!

Man, if only I was dumb enough to subscribe to wingnut logic. Must be
a simple existence.

This sounds exactly like a defense for rape, too. Doesn't it?

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Doggiebobo @ 31: Graham @ 16: I
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 21:38 — bronco214 (not verified)
Doggiebobo @ 31:

Graham @ 16:

I thought this report was done quite well actually, for Fox Noise
anyway. I thought they handled it in a pretty balanced fashion, and I
don't understand why anyone would take issue with the piece.

I mean come on. Don't just hate for hating's sake. There's plenty to
pick at Fox News about without having to resort to attacking for the
sake of it.

I agree...one of the best Faux Noise reports I have seen...of course
not live, since I
refuse to watch that particular channel, but gain my insight here on
C&L and Media
Matters. Seems to me it was "fair and balanced"...as much as I hate to
admit.

Fair/balance my ass. They weren't changing things to make themselves
to look better. They were changing things to slur other people.

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JohnnyBravo @ 70: I can't stand that
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 21:47 — nonbeliever (not verified)
JohnnyBravo @ 70:

I can't stand that pic. That smug look on Chris Wallace's face needs
to be slapped off. I wish Clinton knocked him out.

I think he wanted to. The verbal smackdown was pretty good though.

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I love Wikipedia. It's homegrown, and
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 21:49 — pol (not verified)
I love Wikipedia. It's homegrown, and I wouldn't use it as a reference
in a research paper, but it's a good place to start the research.

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john @ 6: Fox is news from the rich
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 21:53 — Charles (not verified)
john @ 6:

Fox is news from the rich to excite the poor.

Oldest game in the book.

Not necessarily the poor in the case of Fox News, but retirement age
men who've worked their entire lives and are still waiting to "get
theirs."

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Wed, 08/15/2007 - 21:57 — mdclarke (not verified)
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Graham @ 16: I thought this report was
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 22:03 — JohnnyThief (not verified)
Graham @ 16:

I thought this report was done quite well actually, for Fox Noise
anyway. I thought they handled it in a pretty balanced fashion, and I
don't understand why anyone would take issue with the piece.

I mean come on. Don't just hate for hating's sake. There's plenty to
pick at Fox News about without having to resort to attacking for the
sake of it.

Because they failed to mention that they did things like smear people
they're diametrically opposed to. Instead of apologizing, they blamed
the site itself. Its like me getting caught robbing a bank & blaming
the bank for being easy enough for me to rob.

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john @ 6: Fox is news from the rich
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 22:09 — dww44 (not verified)
john @ 6:

Fox is news from the rich to excite the poor.

Oldest game in the book.

This is my favorite new Fox description. Can't wait to try it out on
all my Republican friends and relatives, of whom there are far far too
many.

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Mike Wallace must be as tearfully
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 22:13 — Scott (not verified)
Mike Wallace must be as tearfully ashamed of his son as George H. W.
Bush is of his own. Christ...these people make me want to change my
views on forced sterilization.

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Fox will do anything to keep the
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 22:16 — jr (not verified)
Fox will do anything to keep the culture war trains running on time

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I hope everyone involved in Fox News
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 23:02 — ReverendJimIgnatowski (not verified)
I hope everyone involved in Fox News DIES horribly . . . ebola would
do. What scum, lowering the bar of public discourse every day in every
way. Mike Wallace should do the honorable thing and *remove* Chris
Wallace.

All the above is and should be considered parody/comedy, just for all
you little G-men scanning the Internet looking to harass citizens and
destroy the Constitution.

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Go to wikipedia and look up
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 23:03 — Ben Culture (not verified)
Go to wikipedia and look up wanker.

Wanker is President Bush

LOL

Sweet Jebus! That’s funny.

It is? You've got a low threshold for humor. I didn't see any wit to
it. At least learn how Wikipedia works and have "wanker" direct to the
real George W. Bush article. Better yet, don't vandalize articles at
all. There are people who care more about Wikipedia's accuracy than
right- OR left-wing politics. Don't make them clean up EVERYBODY's
***.

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Two words: Damage
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 23:08 — Otay (not verified)
Two words:

Damage control

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:lol: This was on Keith Olbermann's
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 23:12 — The Populist (not verified)
:lol: This was on Keith Olbermann's show tonight... too funny that
they got caught! :lol:

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seems the link from DailyKOS has
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 23:20 — The Populist (not verified)
seems the link from DailyKOS has disappeared.

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LISTEN UP @ 50: LISTEN UP: I strongly
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 23:27 — moonsha (not verified)
LISTEN UP @ 50:

LISTEN UP: I strongly recommend that everyone proceed to Wikipedia and
open up a new account. Once there, add 4-5 pages to your WATCH LIST.
Ensure they are topics that you know something about.

WARNING: Do not direct all of your time editing Wikipedia because that
would be a monumental waste of energy. However, please do contribute,
because right now, right-wingers are taking over the asylum.

How about not using it at all? Why waste you time reading something
that might or might not be true when you are specifically looking for
information?

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Chris calls for a competency hearing
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 23:34 — julia (not verified)
Chris calls for a competency hearing for dad, who doesn't support Bush

This is not a good man.

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Question: Why hasn't this whole fiasco
Wed, 08/15/2007 - 23:44 — Zenrage (not verified)
Question: Why hasn't this whole fiasco about Fox News rewriting its
journalists' wiki pages been placed on the Fox News Wiki page?

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The FBI and the CIA also got caught
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 00:04 — eric (not verified)
The FBI and the CIA also got caught editing Wikipedia:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070816/ts_nm/security_wikipedia_dc

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WikiScanner was used by Wikipedia to
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 00:08 — eric (not verified)
WikiScanner was used by Wikipedia to trace Fox News, the CIA and FBI.
Maybe Crooks and Liars can use it to trace down trolls.

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julia @ 87: Chris calls for a
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 00:33 — StirFryfromAustin (not verified)
julia @ 87:

Chris calls for a competency hearing for dad, who doesn't support Bush

This is not a good man.

Daaayam, thats just wrong. wingnutilitus is a brain disorder.

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why don't you use a fucking flash
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 00:54 — . (not verified)
why don't you use a fucking flash player like everyone else, c&l

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For the last time, it's "Faux
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 00:56 — Dan (not verified)
For the last time, it's "Faux News".

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Could it get any more douchier? I
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 00:56 — Al Franken (not verified)
Could it get any more douchier? I doubt it. Please, i'll take 2
nozzles in the ass and an elephant stomp on the bag.

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Crooks and Liars » An embarrassed Fox
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 01:04 — zymee.com (not verified)
Crooks and Liars » An embarrassed Fox News hits Wikipedia

http://static.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/chris-wallace.thumbnail.jpg

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Fox News is not a work in progress. Fox
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 01:13 — waterboarding for jesus (not verified)
Fox News is not a work in progress.
Fox News is a work in regress.

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Q: Why do so many Repugs/'cons have
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 01:15 — Damnifino (not verified)
Q: Why do so many Repugs/'cons have their hair like Wallace there?

A: It is Repug offical hair style #1-A, a popular hair style during
Nixon era .

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How typical of a bunch of left winged
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 01:19 — Tom (not verified)
How typical of a bunch of left winged socialist and fascists. Here is
a not so new channel that has conservative views most of the time and
because of that they get attacked. All the while most of the main
stream media is biased towards the left. maybe they are not fair and
balanced but CNN and MSNBC aren't either.

All I see is a bunch of whining babies who don't want another voice
out there. All you socialist pigs and your lies about freedom. If you
trully believed what you preach then you wouldn't be attacking Fox
News. Criticize them if you must and point out their flaws but to sit
here and

To me is makes sense since the only time someone gets attacked by the
left it is usually when they are popular or make tons of money.

I guess its ok when a news room erupts in cheers at the news of a
morons(Rove) decision to leave the white house. I guess thats your
idea of fair news.

Guess what the whole news media is skewed one way or the other. It
just so happens that Fox is not your way and they are popular. So you
try to censor them.

Fox isn't perfect and neither is wikipedia. There have been many times
where companies and politicians got caught revising the articles. The
great thing here is there is a record of what and who did what. I
wouldn't be surprised if Fox was not the only News agency to do this.

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I thought Blair's middle name was
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 01:21 — jimbo92107 (not verified)
I thought Blair's middle name was "Bushlicker." I'll have to go over
to Wikipedia to check on that...;-)

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Hell, if they want to create their own
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 01:35 — Blaed (not verified)
Hell, if they want to create their own 'facts' they should stick to
editing stuff in Conservapedia and leave Wikipedia to the reasonable
folk.

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Graham @ 16: I thought this report was
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 02:15 — David (not verified)
Graham @ 16:

I thought this report was done quite well actually, for Fox Noise
anyway. I thought they handled it in a pretty balanced fashion, and I
don't understand why anyone would take issue with the piece.

I mean come on. Don't just hate for hating's sake. There's plenty to
pick at Fox News about without having to resort to attacking for the
sake of it.

This is nearly verbatim what I planned to say, and there isn't nearly
enough agreement with this sentiment. When you blindly criticize
everything your opponents do, you end up undermining and weakening
your own position, not to mention giving them more ammo to use against
you.

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[...] An embarrassed Fox News hits
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 02:20 — Niklas’ blog » Blog Archive » My Del.icio..us
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[...] An embarrassed Fox News hits Wikipedia — Thanks to some IP-
address based research, the political world learned that the FNC was
responsible for “touching up” Wikipedia pages, editing content that
didn’t fit with the partisan network’s political agenda. Tagged as:
[fox communication lying obfuscation] [...]

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[...] It quietly edits unflattering
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 02:29 — Fox News Rewrites History About Itself · New
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[...] It quietly edits unflattering Wikipedia posts. Details HERE.
[...]

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[...] It quietly edits unflattering
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 02:45 — Fox News Rewrites History About Itself ·
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[...] It quietly edits unflattering Wikipedia posts. Details HERE.
[...]

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Does Fox "News" have ANY credibility
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 02:59 — Jazz_jeff (not verified)
Does Fox "News" have ANY credibility left yet???
They have become an international joke.

www.exposed.forumarena.com

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Someone mentioned Conservapedia as an
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 03:13 — Ian Bach (not verified)
Someone mentioned Conservapedia as an alternative. But I looked at in
and specificlly at areas I have 22 years of knowledge and the best
teachers. I have also been an expert witness in court cases.
Conservapedia get a lot of things very wrong. It is way worse than
Wiki will ever be.

That being said. If you get info from any of those two web sites or
fox news be sure and try and find back up facts and the details they
omit convieniently, or perhaps out of a lack of knowledge.

Last night I saw a fox news bit on al-qaeda style attacks in Iraq. It
did not mention the attacks killed Yezidi's.

That is what makes it so obvious that it was al qaeda attacks. So
geez.....wake up and inform not push edit button.

Attacks on Yezidi people in the Kurdish area are designed by al-Qaeda
to weaken the religious freedom in North Iraq. and cause tensions. But
al-Qaeda won't succeed with those tactics in Kurdish area. Saddam
never succedded and look where it got him.

Michael Yon was embeded in Iraq and went to meet the Yezidi people and
learn more about them since no one seems to have their story straight
or even try to get the facts on the rich heritage there.
Here is a good link to Mr. Yons online Magazine that clears some of
the smoke.

Lost in Translation - Yezdinar Village, Iraq

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[...] An embarrassed Fox News hits
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 04:40 — Ignorance is the parent of fear « The Long
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[...] An embarrassed Fox News hits Wikipedia Fox News tried to exploit
Wikipedia, and got caught, so naturally it’s time to undermine the
source of the network’s embarrassment. Typical. [...]

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moonsha @ 86: How about not using it
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 04:42 — Danny Milosavljevic (not verified)
moonsha @ 86:

How about not using it [Wikipedia] at all? Why waste you time reading
something that might or might not be true when you are specifically
looking for information?

As opposed to what? Not getting any information? I take the loads of
questionable information and wade through it using skepticism, thank
you very much.

Not using Wikipedia sounds like a bad idea. Just because humans might
be lying, I still don't stop talking to them.

And there's no alternative that is more objective and as broad (I
pretty much think that impossible to achieve) as Wikipedia. (I'd like
to be corrected on this - I really don't know)

And given that Wikipedia retains the page history, I don't really see
the problem. The solution is exactly that everyone edits it to fit his
picture of the world and monitors changes and in the end you check the
page history and see.

Or was that sarcasm in your tone? After i thought about it, you can't
be serious.

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Tom @ 98: How typical of a bunch of
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 05:00 — oni (not verified)
Tom @ 98:

How typical of a bunch of left winged socialist and fascists. Here is
a not so new channel that has conservative views most of the time and
because of that they get attacked. All the while most of the main
stream media is biased towards the left. maybe they are not fair and
balanced but CNN and MSNBC aren't either.

All I see is a bunch of whining babies who don't want another voice
out there. All you socialist pigs and your lies about freedom. If you
trully believed what you preach then you wouldn't be attacking Fox
News. Criticize them if you must and point out their flaws but to sit
here and

To me is makes sense since the only time someone gets attacked by the
left it is usually when they are popular or make tons of money.

I guess its ok when a news room erupts in cheers at the news of a
morons(Rove) decision to leave the white house. I guess thats your
idea of fair news.

Guess what the whole news media is skewed one way or the other. It
just so happens that Fox is not your way and they are popular. So you
try to censor them.

Fox isn't perfect and neither is wikipedia. There have been many times
where companies and politicians got caught revising the articles. The
great thing here is there is a record of what and who did what. I
wouldn't be surprised if Fox was not the only News agency to do this.

Fascists aren't at all left-wing, they're far-right actually, in
opposition to socialism...

But i agree, i didn't find the report at all biased or inaccurate, it
was a quite good one... bet half of the people criticizing it didn't
even watch it.
Wish people would start thinking for themselves, rather than judge
everything in simplistic ways such as "everything FOX says is bad".
Being a liberal means first and foremost thinking for yourself ;)

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What a weasel this chris wallace
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 05:40 — Sha_Rules (not verified)
What a weasel this chris wallace is

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[...] to get shown up after the CIA got
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 05:43 — A couple of stories to make you laugh « The
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[...] to get shown up after the CIA got caught modifying it’s
wikipedia pages. So what does Fox do? Get caught modifying it’s
wikipedia pages, of [...]

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My dear sheeple, I used to watch the
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 05:56 — fuzzybutton (not verified)
My dear sheeple, I used to watch the fox on occasion just to witness
the BS then I found and they watch the fox so I don't have to.
Baaa Ha Ha

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Fox news? Is that a
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 06:06 — Clips vidéo et paroles (not verified)
Fox news? Is that a channel?

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As stated above quite a few times, this
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 06:57 — Nick Catalano (not verified)
As stated above quite a few times, this is actually a really good news
piece. It doesn't "go after" Wikipedia any more than any other news
piece has ever done, and Fox News let Jimmy Wales gave out the answer
he gives whenever anyone points these flaws out.

If I was a TV News editor I would have no problem putting this piece
on my station. Which somewhat amazes me considering the source.

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As a flaming liberal, I didn't think
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 06:58 — Ubu Walker (not verified)
As a flaming liberal, I didn't think that this news clip was half as
bad as the poster made it out to be. Sure, they slam the website, and
claim that its openness to edits from anyone make it inaccurate, but
they also say that even Fox News themselves were guilty of tampering
with entries. I think Jimmy Wales comment that the edits are a result
of "over-zealous employees" and not "company policy" is actually
fairly profound. However, I do think that Fox News was intending to do
a minor hatchet job on wikipedia's credibility, not because of any
perceived scandal, but to legitimately put doubt into their viewers
minds into trusting information on the site...and any sort of
skepticism that FOX news will teach its viewers...is probably for the
best...because it will help them learn to sort the fact from opinion
they are receiving from Faux news.

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Tom @ 98: How typical of a bunch of
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 07:14 — Litabell (not verified)
Tom @ 98:

How typical of a bunch of left winged socialist and fascists. Here is
a not so new channel that has conservative views most of the time and
because of that they get attacked. All the while most of the main
stream media is biased towards the left. maybe they are not fair and
balanced but CNN and MSNBC aren't either.

All I see is a bunch of whining babies who don't want another voice
out there. All you socialist pigs and your lies about freedom. If you
trully believed what you preach then you wouldn't be attacking Fox
News. Criticize them if you must and point out their flaws but to sit
here and

To me is makes sense since the only time someone gets attacked by the
left it is usually when they are popular or make tons of money.

I guess its ok when a news room erupts in cheers at the news of a
morons(Rove) decision to leave the white house. I guess thats your
idea of fair news.

Guess what the whole news media is skewed one way or the other. It
just so happens that Fox is not your way and they are popular. So you
try to censor them.

Fox isn't perfect and neither is wikipedia. There have been many times
where companies and politicians got caught revising the articles. The
great thing here is there is a record of what and who did what. I
wouldn't be surprised if Fox was not the only News agency to do this.

Typical Faux "News" supporter. Look, the reason they get bashed so
much is that they claim to be a news organization and that they are
fair & balanced. They are neither. Most of us could care less what
crap they spew, but at least be honest that they are a neo-
conservative propaganda machine that parrot the bush administration's
talking points. No true professional journalist would assoicate let
alone work for Faux News. They are simply not credible. And I could
care less if they are allegedly the "most popular" news channel. That
is why our country is in the shape it is; people actually believe the
garbage that is Faux News.

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Looking up IP addresses is an invasion
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 07:32 — KYkernel (not verified)
Looking up IP addresses is an invasion of privacy, pure and simple. Ok
when a left-wing blogger with too much time on his hands does it to
attempt to embarrass someone he doesn't like; not ok if the government
does it to stop terrorists from doing harm to our country.

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The title of this post is misleading.
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 08:02 — Philipp Lenssen (not verified)
The title of this post is misleading. If you see the video, you will
see that it's overall tone is not to undermine Wikipedia, but rather
point out the Wikiscanner project -- even mentioning that Fox
employees apparently edited entries. I dislike Fox News (or Fox
"News") as much as the next guy, but we should still keep to fairly
reporting on it.

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I believe that FOX PHEWS is suitable
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 08:14 — Ken Daviau (not verified)
I believe that FOX PHEWS is suitable for the skunks they are!

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KYkernel @ 117: Looking up IP
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 08:40 — Nowonmai (not verified)
KYkernel @ 117:

Looking up IP addresses is an invasion of privacy, pure and simple.

Actually, this is incorrect. If it was the RIAA and the MPAA would be
getting into deep ***.

Ok when a left-wing blogger with too much time on his hands does it to
attempt to embarrass someone he doesn't like; not ok if the government
does it to stop terrorists from doing harm to our country.

And when a Right-wing spin doctor decides to fluff up his cred by
editing facts he doesn't like even when quoted verbatim from a video
of his ranting, that's ok? Wow... must be nice behind those rose
colored glasses you are wearing

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Joe @ 118: Fox News just tells it like
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 08:40 — Professor Farnsworth (not verified)
Joe @ 118:

Fox News just tells it like it is. If you crybaby liberals got a
problem, then go cry to every liberal biased media in the country.
MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post, USA
Today... Plus many, many more. With all that BS out there, you hacks
still couldn't win in in '04 and you won't win in '08.

did you know that 06 was an election year, too? or did you omit that
because, well, you lost? :)

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It really pains me to do so......I may
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 08:47 — bizona (not verified)
It really pains me to do so......I may have to go home sick from work
after this post. But I have to give Faux News credit for at least
mentioning themselves in this report when they talked about big media
outlets who had self-servingly edited Wikipedia entries.

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[Deleted. Abusive
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 08:49 — Joe (not verified)
[Deleted. Abusive flamebait]

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Joe @ 124: Professor Farnsworth @ 122:
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 08:57 — Professor Farnsworth (not verified)
Joe @ 124:

Professor Farnsworth @ 122:

Joe @ 118:

Fox News just tells it like it is. If you crybaby liberals got a
problem, then go cry to every liberal biased media in the country.
MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post, USA
Today... Plus many, many more. With all that BS out there, you hacks
still couldn't win in in '04 and you won't win in '08.

did you know that 06 was an election year, too? or did you omit that
because, well, you lost? :)

You can have Congress, but you won't get the White House. I know you
are really stupid and you need the Government to spend your money and
do your thinking for you "Professor Farnsworth", but don't worry, we
won't cut off your welfare just yet.

Given the political climate and how poorly the Republicans approval
ratings are, I would say, yeah, it's more than likely the White House
will be reclaimed by the Democrats. You should actually try to follow
politics.

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Joe @ 118: Fox News just tells it
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 09:01 — bizona (not verified)
Joe @ 118:

Fox News just tells it like it is. If you crybaby liberals got a
problem, then go cry to every liberal biased media in the country.
MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post, USA
Today... Plus many, many more. With all that BS out there, you hacks
still couldn't win in in '04 and you won't win in '08.

Thanks for the laugh. This post and the one where you call someone
else stupid after defending Faux News for "telling it like it is" is
just priceless. Take your head outta your a$$ and breathe some fresh
air for a change. It'll do you (and your country) good.

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Joe @ 124: You can have Congress, but
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 09:01 — JustSickOfIt (not verified)
Joe @ 124:

You can have Congress, but you won't get the White House. I know you
are really stupid and you need the Government to spend your money and
do your thinking for you "Professor Farnsworth", but don't worry, we
won't cut off your welfare just yet.

Hey Joe, Blow Me. It's narrow minded pin heads like you that have
brought this country two steps from destruction. When we finally do
away with your criminal organization (aka Bush administration), we
will come looking for the rest of you. So just sit tight with your NRA
flag and your Mit '08 buttons. We will get to you in due course. It
may take a few years, but we won't forget who sold out for the
corporate dollars and the oil. There will be a little cell with your
name on it, waiting just for you and your kind.

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Honesty This is pretty sad. First Fox
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 09:10 — The Supreme Irony of Life ... (not verified)
Honesty

This is pretty sad. First Fox News Channel get caught editing
Wikipedia entries to make themselves look better...

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This is a non-story. Left-wing,
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 09:12 — tiel (not verified)
This is a non-story. Left-wing, right-wing, all wings have made
Wikipedia edits. People will simply start using anonymizers now when
they edit Wikipedia articles.

I know I will...

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Thu, 08/16/2007 - 09:13 — » An embarrassed Fox News hits Wikipedia -
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[...] An embarrassed Fox News hits Wikipedia [...]

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tiel @ 129: This is a non-story.
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 09:20 — Professor Farnsworth (not verified)
tiel @ 129:

This is a non-story. Left-wing, right-wing, all wings have made
Wikipedia edits. People will simply start using anonymizers now when
they edit Wikipedia articles.

I know I will...

*shrugs*

I won't because when I do edit, it's not something I have to hide.

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Professor Farnsworth @ 131: tiel @
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 09:23 — hello (not verified)
Professor Farnsworth @ 131:

tiel @ 129:

This is a non-story. Left-wing, right-wing, all wings have made
Wikipedia edits. People will simply start using anonymizers now when
they edit Wikipedia articles.

I know I will...

*shrugs*

I won't because when I do edit, it's not something I have to hide.

I agree. Any genuinely honest person shouldn't have to make anything
up.

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hello @ 132: Professor Farnsworth @
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 09:26 — Professor Farnsworth (not verified)
hello @ 132:

Professor Farnsworth @ 131:

tiel @ 129:

This is a non-story. Left-wing, right-wing, all wings have made
Wikipedia edits. People will simply start using anonymizers now when
they edit Wikipedia articles.

I know I will...

*shrugs*

I won't because when I do edit, it's not something I have to hide.

I agree. Any genuinely honest person shouldn't have to make anything
up.

Exactly. Why cover up your tracks if you aren't doing anything wrong/
questionable? I usually edit Wiki pages for actor/actresses/bands I'm
fans of, to add some new info that I found and isn't on there. I
really don't care if my IP address shows up there.

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Yeah.... right. Y'all are so
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 09:29 — tiel (not verified)
Yeah.... right. Y'all are so righteous!

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tiel @ 134: Yeah.... right. Y'all are
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 09:31 — Professor Farnsworth (not verified)
tiel @ 134:

Yeah.... right. Y'all are so righteous!

If you say so.

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FAUX NEWS and ppl like joe are the real
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 09:38 — mad (not verified)
FAUX NEWS and ppl like joe are the real terrorists destroying this
country and should be treated as such...

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Anyone see this yet
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 09:42 — JW (not verified)
Anyone see this yet today?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293528,00.html

Pretty damn ironic. Ok, so the fact that his argument is bs isnt
ironic. The part about accusing others of being partisan in their
reporting because of their personal politics and then we have this
about Fox employees doing something so similarly partisan.

Nice to see that Crooks actually has an example of biased reporting,
rather than just biased behavior by Fox staff. You'll notice that the
hack John Gibson doesnt have the same. He doesnt site a single
instance of actual reporting that is biased.

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Thu, 08/16/2007 - 09:45 — Joe (not verified)
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Joe @ 138: [Refers to deleted
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 09:58 — Professor Farnsworth (not verified)
Joe @ 138:

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yes, why hope for peace when you can have violence and death!!

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Therefore I say: 'Know the enemy and
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:00 — ysbaddaden (not verified)
Therefore I say: 'Know the enemy and know yourself; in a hundred
battles you will never be in peril.

When you are ignorant of the enemy but know yourself, your chances of
winning and losing are equal.

If ignorant of both your enemy and of yourself, you are certain in
every battle to be in peril.
(Sun Tzu, The Art of War, chapter 3, lines 31-33).

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They photo of Chris Wallace should act
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:06 — ysbaddaden (not verified)
They photo of Chris Wallace should act as a warning to little kids who
still watch tv sprawled on the floor on their stomachs, with their
faces squashed between their hands.

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Did y'all notice the "liberal" media
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:09 — ysbaddaden (not verified)
Did y'all notice the "liberal" media all sporting lapel flags
(presumably made in China), and all having the headline "America
Strikes Back," like the war was being directed by George Lucas?

Unfortuantely, it's being led by Jar-Jar Binks.

Fortunately FAUX news had Geraldo Rivera to give away our troop
movements to the enemies.

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Jim @ 3: When the dems win in 2008 I
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:14 — spence (not verified)
Jim @ 3:

When the dems win in 2008 I wonder if we can get some basic truth in
advertising legislation to force Fox to at least label itself as
Conservative News.

Thats great Jim, so is this after we're forced to tattoo our political
affiliation onto our arms?

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The F.B.I. and th C.I.A. have been
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:17 — anonymous (not verified)
The F.B.I. and th C.I.A. have been editing Wikipedia from company
computers...
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1642896020070816

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It's not Faux News or Fox Noise. Call
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:17 — Michael (not verified)
It's not Faux News or Fox Noise. Call FOX it what it really is: The
Ministry of Propaganda.

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I didn't think the Fox News report was
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:23 — Jeremy (not verified)
I didn't think the Fox News report was slanted. They discussed the new
software used to track who's changing what on Wikipedia and even
admitted that they got caught.

The reliability of Wikipedia has been questioned by both sides of the
aisle. Everyone knows that Wikipedia is about as reliable as... well,
as the rest of the Internet.

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If by gaining more casualties we're
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:44 — ysbaddaden (not verified)
If by gaining more casualties we're winning in Iraq,

Than a certain banned commenter will take his anathemization as a
victory

Perhaps a pyrrhic victory

After a pyrrhic victory do the surviving soldiers have bloody gums?

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Jeremy @ 145: I didn't think the Fox
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:46 — ysbaddaden (not verified)
Jeremy @ 145:

I didn't think the Fox News report was slanted. They discussed the new
software used to track who's changing what on Wikipedia and even
admitted that they got caught.

The reliability of Wikipedia has been questioned by both sides of the
aisle. Everyone knows that Wikipedia is about as reliable as... well,
as the rest of the Internet.

It's still good for this:

http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/jul2006/bonobo_female_sex.jpg

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ysbaddaden @ 139: Therefore I say:
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:48 — another-mouse (not verified)
ysbaddaden @ 139:

Therefore I say: 'Know the enemy and know yourself; in a hundred
battles you will never be in peril.

When you are ignorant of the enemy but know yourself, your chances of
winning and losing are equal.

If ignorant of both your enemy and of yourself, you are certain in
every battle to be in peril.
(Sun Tzu, The Art of War, chapter 3, lines 31-33).

You are my new favorite poster on this channel. ^_^ At least someone
around here knows we are in a war and has the notion to look to the
great masters for advice. This is a MUST READ for all people who want
to look at propaganda tactics as a mirror image of the physical war
tactics, because usually, they do in fact compliment one another if
not outright emulate the other.

As for Wikipedia, FOX news has outsmarted many of us again, for many
reasons. First off, they are a news organization (propaganda labeling
aside, we know that already, a spade is a spade) so they are rather
comfortable scouring for stories... when we expose their lies on the
blogosphere, they can and will - as you have seen - report it on
broadcast to flavor the sentiment of the argument. Rather than let
some other organization call them out forcibly, they have broken the
story to the public (faster than the blogosphere) in such a way as to
minimize the angry sentiment.

It was set out like a chess game. move the wiki-pawn into position,
strip it of its idealogical power ('it is flawed'); then, show
'experts' who show you how the flaws are exploited by companies, but
NOT THE CORP's themselves, just people who work there (again,
disarming its ability to bite back). Then they slap themselves on the
wrist with the dead pawn's hand. brilliant.

If I wasn't angry to begin with over the actual wiki-edits, I am angry
over how quickly they redirected and effectively disarmed the outrage
of the mainstream. It's the principle of the matter that was the heart
of the sin, and they framed the debate before anyone else could get
their hands on it. I was so excited when a blogger outed this story...
*sigh*

From now on, I think if we find something completely outrageous that
FOX does, we as individuals should not post it on blogs, but silently
slip it to another media outlet. It gives them less of a fighting
change to demean the message to the dogs, as it were.

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138 another-mouse Check out my link
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:50 — ysbaddaden (not verified)
138 another-mo
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