Re: Is Beldin an idiot? - vote here

Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
"johnny_t" <nobodyis@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:02ac13f2$0$26885$c3e8da3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
"johnny_t" <nobodyis@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:485ea1e7$0$31209$c3e8da3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
XaQ Morphy wrote:
In another post, Beldin posted "Dutch, the whole group knows I'm not an
idiot." I of course think the opposite, and I'm pretty sure RGP as a
whole agrees with me.

So, please vote here. Do you think Beldin is an idiot? Reply yes/no to
this thread.

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This sort of reminds of that story where the Kindergartner was brought to the front of the class. His teacher asked his class mates to list all the things that were wrong with this kid, and then eventually voted out of the class, like a bad episode of survivor.

I am just so bored of "retard" and other useless nyms that make *him* look stupid rather than any other way, total lack of content, thought and bad beats, that it is pointless to read his stuff anymore. But this is a rather annoying exercise as well.
This is stupidity on so many levels it's hysterical.
I never post "Jonny is a retard!" and end it.
I call you a retard, then go into detail as to why you are one on that particular topic.
You are free, of course, to see the light and renounce your retard status.
You're free to attempt to rip my argument to shreds, taking pot shots at me along the way. Generally, you try and avoid the issue, which is odd. Why take a stand on anything if you aren't prepared to debate, defend, and battle over it?


Arguments on your terms that involve name calling by you, are not fun, informative, edifying, or satisfying. They aren't. It seems to be pretty universal, look around there is tons of arguing, debate, defense, and everyone is pretty tired of your "routine". And you apparently think it's *ALL* of ours fault. Oh well...
No, Jonny-boy, I don't think it's anyone's 'fault'.
I think most people don't come at political views logically. I think they tend to come at them based on some emotional view, and then try and rationalize it. Now, the best way to bring someone around is to find that emotional view, then figure out how to disarm it. Often, that involves getting the opposition pissed off, and perhaps insecure enough for them to do self examination.
Sometimes that backfires, and they dig in, but those reading the thread for amusement will still see that.

You take the wrong side of an argument, I fight with you. Are you likely to randomly take a side in an argument the next time?

Are you going to take a side you can't defend vigorously and rationally? Well, Dutch does, yes, but most people don't.

Pickle uses legal rules when we fight about gay marriage. He tries to keep it within that context, because then he can 'win' the debate... within that context, the law IS established. Within the 'civil rights' context, what the law currently is is irrelevent, what the law should be becomes the issue, and there he can't win. If we both say that and stop, however, the debate stops and not much happens to change other people's opinions.

Dutch is convinced that socialized medicine is the way to go. He completely ignores the changes that happen when you socialize medicine, and what that does to prices.... and when prices are set as a function of costs of manufacturing drugs, as they are, how it defacto kills long-shot investing in medicine.

Now he's likely never going to get it. He probably doesn't care, he's emotionally invested in helping the poor person struggling to get buy who can't afford health insurance, but has a job and is self sufficient, so isn't on medicaid. I'm not sure too many of them exist, to be honest. Health insurance is cheaper than booze, cigs, and lotto tickets, and lots of poor people buy them weekly. But I'm sure many people reading our sparring sessions while chuckling to themselves DO get it, that investing in possibilities involves risk, and the manufacturers need a reasonable chance to recover that investment with "winning" drugs to offset the failures.

Dutch is now fairly obsessed with beating me up. It makes his thinking even less clear, and makes it harder for him to foist his view on people. That's not a bad thing.

Pickle, by contrast, is still fairly rational. He's seen my posts, and knows I shoot at everyone I think is wrong, not some ideological view, like popinfresh and orange, and I always have a defense of my view.

Mostly, I want people to think when deciding, rather than feel. Emotions are great, with someone you care about in a warm bed. Emotions are less great in the voting booth.



I am leaving ALL of this stuff, just look at the weight of it all, and then realize that you have not addressed my point at all. NOBODY LIKES THE NAME CALLING.

You start with the Johnny-boy statement for the sole purpose of putting yourself above your arguing opponent. Like an insecure manager who has a chair bigger than the others.

But I will agree that you go on, and try and make cogent arguments.

Try this, stay with the clear arguments. Stop with the name calling. And the fun stuff. The arguments. Will become fun again. That's it. Thats the whole point. The rest of this is largely sophistry to try and move the point elsewhere.

Just stop trying to put others down through language and name calling in an attempt to raise your standing. It doesn't work, it is not fun, and it is not an emotionally deficient reaction to not like it. Useless name taunting does not make your argument any better. It makes your argument mute. Nobody will listen any more. At that point no one listens, it doesn't matter what you think.
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