Re: OT: Man made hot ice.
- From: FL Turbo <noemail@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:06:54 -0600
On Sat, 08 Dec 07 17:39:05 GMT, ruylopez <43087387@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On Dec 8 2007 12:18 PM, Signal wrote:
Let me guess.. he's a rightwing nutjob?
And, we have a winner. Although obvious, it's amusing that based on this one
loon opinion of Vic's, which really has nothing to do with politics (at least on
the surface), you can guess his place on the political spectrum so accurately.
What is it about right wingers that causes them to fail so miserably at
science?
IMHO, Wingers on both ends of the spectrum fail miserably.
Sometimes they get so far out that they meet somewhere out there in
the farthest corner of the Universe.
See the 911 Conspiracy Theorists for a perfect example.
Science and technology are bent to prove anything they want to
believe.
But I digress.
Here is a little blurb about that lucky old Sun.
(With nothing to do but roll 'round heaven all day.
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg19125691.100-global-warming-will-the-sun-come-to-our-rescue.html
Global warming: Will the Sun come to our rescue?
Exclusive
18 September 2006
It is known as the Little Ice Age. Bitter winters blighted much of the
northern hemisphere for decades in the second half of the 17th
century. The French army used frozen rivers as thoroughfares to invade
the Netherlands. New Yorkers walked from Manhattan to Staten Island
across the frozen harbour. Sea ice surrounded Iceland for miles and
the island's population halved. It wasn't the first time temperatures
had plunged: a couple of hundred years earlier, between 1420 and 1570,
a climatic downturn claimed the Viking colonies on Greenland, turning
them from fertile farmlands into arctic wastelands.
Could the sun have been to blame? We now know that, curiously, both
these mini ice ages coincided with prolonged lulls in the sun's
activity - the sunspots and dramatic flares that are driven by its
powerful magnetic field.
Now some astronomers are predicting that the sun is about to enter
another quiet period. With climate scientists warning that global
warming is approaching a tipping point, beyond which rapid and
possibly irreversible damage to our environment will be unavoidable, a
calm sun and a resultant cold snap might be exactly what we need to
give us breathing space to agree and enact pollution controls. "It
would certainly buy us some time," says Joanna Haigh, an atmospheric
physicist at Imperial College London.
Global average temperatures have risen by about 0.6 °C in the past
century, and until recently almost all of this has been put down to
human activity. But that may not be the only factor at work. A growing
number of scientists believe that there are clear links between the
sun's activity and the temperature on Earth. While solar magnetic
activity cannot explain away global warming completely, it does seem
to have a significant impact. "A couple of years ago, I would not have
said that there was any evidence for solar activity driving
temperatures on Earth," says Paula Reimer, a palaeoclimate expert at
Queen's University, Belfast, in the UK. "Now I think there is fairly
convincing evidence."
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Hmmm
A "tipping point"?
Could there actually be one out there?
Read on MacDuff.
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Sami Solanki and his team at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System
Research in Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany, have looked at the
concentrations of carbon-14 in wood and beryllium-10 in ice as far
back as back 11,000 years ago. The similarity of the fluctuations in
both isotopes convinced them that they were seeing effects due to the
sun. The peaks and slumps showed a recognisable pattern: "Periods of
high solar activity do not last long, perhaps 50 to 100 years, then
you get a crash," says Weiss. "It's a boom-bust system, and I would
expect a crash soon."
Although another crash is likely, predicting the sun's activity with
any certainty is difficult because of the chaotic way in which the
solar magnetic field is generated. If anyone can do it, though, it's
solar physicist turned computer programmer Leif Svalgaard, from
Stanford University in California, who has been forecasting solar
activity for nearly three decades. In the 1970s, he pioneered the best
forecasting method yet devised, which uses the strength of the
magnetic field at the sun's poles to predict future levels of solar
activity.
He too expects a crash. The sun's polar field is now at its weakest
since measurements began in the early 1950s, and to Svalgaard, the
latest figures indicate that the sun's activity will be weaker during
the next decade than it has been for more than 100 years. "Sunspot
numbers are well on the way down in the next decade," he predicts. He
expects fewer than six new sunspots per month, less than half the
average number seen over the past decade.
This is hardly the sunspot crash that observations from 1645 to 1715
suggest. Back then, the appearance of even a single sunspot was major
astronomical news, sparking hurriedly penned communications from one
observatory to another. Nevertheless, it's a sign of things to come.
"Sunspot numbers will be extremely small, and when the sun crashes, it
crashes hard," says Svaalgard.
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This is only a very small part of the article.
Anyone who is interested can read the whole article.
No doubt that publication is financed by Big Oil, Big Coal, Big
Agriculture, etc.
The rabid Global Warmenists will be sure to make that point if it is
so.
The Mass Media have already made their minds up, and will repeatedly
parrot the phrase "Gobal Warming" without even the slightest effort to
investigate anything.
Most of them are every bit as ignorant of science and technology as
Rosie O'donuts.
The business community will latch on to the concept and use it to
promote whatever they are selling.
(Our new, improved Mcguffin - 37% more effective in fighting Global
Warming.)
But Nevermind.
The coming years will bring in new data.
Nothing better than new data to either prove or disprove some theory.
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