Re: Wondering about robots

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 08:19:51 GMT, chipet@xxxxxxxxxx (Chip) wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:03:39 -0400, A Man Beaten by Jacks
<nobody@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:18:13 -0700, Iceman <oneofcold@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The most evidence of bots is in low-stakes 10-handed limit and NL
holdem ring games. Potentially bots would be easy to program for
smaller NL holdem SNGs or heads-up limit holdem. If you play huge
multitable tournaments, non-holdem games (low-limit Omaha-8 is the
exception since that would be a very easy game to program), or 6-
handed holdem games, you don't have to worry about bots. If you play
higher-stakes games, colluders should be more of a concern than bots.

I believe three colluding bots on a six-handed table would be unbeatable
even if their actual strategy was mediocre and their exploitation of their
extra information was imperfect. Of course, I think these would, at this
point, stand out like a sore thumb. But given a little randomization in
play and timing they could pass as mediocre players who just got
lucky more than their fair share, at least on casual examination.
I don't think they'd pass a "Turing test" if people were aggressively
analyzing stats and hunting bots, but I'd give serious consideration
to the fact that in the near future, if not now, there may be effectively
colluding botnets in operation.

Colluding bots are easy to detect since by definition they have to play
together.

The OLPR's have the complete hand histories and it is trivially easy to
automatically determine that certian players 'get lucky' a
disproportionate amount of the time. It can then be noted which players
they are playing against and if patterns are detected further
investigation can be undertaken.

OLPR? Do you mean online poker rooms? Not to burst any bubbles,
but they don't care. Full Tilt was basically given statistical proof of
bot play on their site and did nothing to punish the perpetrators.

Unless someone can come up with a way of generating literally thousands
of accounts and getting money into them their efforts at collusion do
not last long.

I'd love to see the look on the faces of these cheats when they get the
"we regret we have to close your account ..." after all the effort
they've put in :-)

Full Tilt not only didn't confiscate any funds, but the players in question
play there to this day. Not only did they not have to do any of their
own "investigation" but the evidence was dropped in their laps.

They don't care. You really have to protect yourself.
.

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