Re: Horses, Souls, and Time


"Corinthian McVitie Keogh" <divad.ddub@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Because, pure***, you invoked the idiocy of the calculus as a debunking
of
Zeno but now you find that the calculus would support Zeno.

News to me. Cite?

Good lord!

It was obvious but not provable that you were a complete moron re-babbling
crap you've read in the past, but this?

rofflmfao!

You have no idea at all as to the use of the calculus, do you? Nor even how
to put a proposition into equation form?

rofflmfao!

(Note: there is nothing wrong with that unless like the triple-dip *** (3
IDs) CMcVK you ALSO contemptuously and contemptibly assert the use of the
calculus as a debunking of the undebunkable.)

(Remember that Zeno did not present just one paradox, but several, all
dealing with various concepts of time and space. This one deals with an
infinitely divisible space and time both. It says "IF time and space are
both infinitely divisible THEN you can't get there from here". Anyone who
then tries to 'debunk' it by saying either time and space are NOT infinitely
divisible is just being an intellectual jackass with an insufficiency in
abstract reasoning, even if right about the nature of time and/or space,
because even then the only honest response is "well, if time and space are
infinitley divisible I see no way to argue with Zeno in this matter, but I
don't think one or the other is infinitely divisible.").

(Also remember that the paradoxes represent processes: first this, then
that, etc, which is how we experience the universe. Any series sum or other
calculus idiocy perpetrated by calculus insavants ignore the process and
turn the actual IF-we-could-reach-the-end-of-the-infinite-series-of-steps
into
we-have-finished-the-series-of-steps-without-taking-even-the-first-step.)

I have seen it asserted that the original form of Zeno's "can't get there
from here" paradox (first you have to get half-way, but first you have to
get 1/4-way, but first ... 1/8, ... 1/16 ... ad infinitum) was actually a
"can't even get started" paradox (before you get there you have to get
1/2-way, but first you have to get 1/4-way, but first ... 1/8...1/16 ... ad
infinitum).

Perhaps you want a series, as for the usual form given of this Zeno paradox.

You can't have one.

The commonly seen Zeno can't-get-there series is D = 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16
....

That says "first I go half way, then I add to that a second step of half the
remaining distance, etc".

But the immediate form says "I can't take the 'first', half-way, step
because to do so I'd FIRST have to take a step half that distance, which I
can't do, because FIRST ...".

The similar-looking series S = 1 - 1/2 -1/4... 'says' first I cover the
whole distance, then I backoff half the distance, then I backoff half the
remaining distance, etc.

So, the only number available to us is the distance of the 'last' first
step: D = 1/(2n), as n-> infinity. So, we have D=0 as the limit.

The total REMAINING distance is the sum R = 1 - D = 1.

You can't get there because you can't really get started.

(Yet, it certainlly appears that we can get there, doesn't it?)

As to a cite for this representation, it has been many years, but the cite
is immaterial. Call it the eleaticus paradox if you refuse to ascribe it to
its actual author, Zeno.

I can fairly well picture the paper-pages on which I saw it, try a
large-format encyclopedia of philosophy.

eleaticus
ee-lee-AT-i-cus


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