Re: PLO8 hand...is this worth a slowplay?


"Ian Stuart" <spamsucks@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Apr 3 2006 9:34 PM, Bryan K wrote:

I'm still new to this O8 game, but I've come to the conclusion that I'm
probably going to have to learn it in order to avoid the $2/$10 HE game
that
I hate so much in the B&M's.

I ran into this hand today playing microlimits, and I think I misplayed
it
horribly.

I had As, Ad, 2c, Kc UTG. The blinds were 10c/20c. I've gotten far
enough
in the O8 chapter of Brunson's SSII to know that this is a raisable
preflop
hand, so I raised 3X the BB to 60c. I got 3 callers including the BB.

The flop was about the best flop I could have ever see. It was Ac, 4c,
3c.

I had the nut flush (the nut high), tons of draws to an aces over full
house, and a ton of draws to the nut low (if I'm not mistaken, any 5, 6,
7,
or 8 would have done that for me). Considering the possibility that
someone
might already have 2-5, should I have led out with a bet here after the
BB
checked to me? With about $2.50 in the pot, I led out with a $0.50 bet.
Everyone folded.

I'm thinking I should have tried for a check-raise, but since it is still
such a new game to me, I was just too afraid that no one would bet behind
me. Plus, in the 20 or so hands I had played previous to this one, I
think
every single one had reached showdown. I fully expected to get callers.
However, looking back, though, it would seem awefully difficult for
anyone
to outdraw me in this situation.

I've only got about 1,000 O8 hands under my belt, and this is the first
time
I've ever flopped a hand this good with so many outs to a scoop or at
least
a 3/4.

Thoughts?

--
Ideas do not have to be correct in order to be good; it's only necessary
that, if they do fail, they do so in an interesting way.
-Robert Rosen


I've had one shandy too many so I apologise in advance if my contribution
seems a little incoherent......

Think about how you make money in O8 (PL or Limit). Ideally you want to
scoop but failing that you are looking to either take 3/4 of the pot or
1/2 the pot with a reasonable number of opponents (3+) going to the river.
As you have 2 aces locked up an aggressive bet will almost certainly chase
most of the table away unless the game is especially loose. Thin the field
preflop and neither a 3/4 or 1/2 pot win is going to net you much of a
profit. An aggressive raise from UTG is therefore unwise unless the table
is extremely loose. When you look at where you ended up on the flop you
might see what I'm getting at.
You flopped a very good high hand but no low on a wheel board. Your
preflop raise has left you with a short field so who exactly is going to
give you any action here? Any significant bet and the only players likely
to hang around are those that flopped the wheel. Now, if you are lucky
enough to have two or more opponents with a wheel you will make some
money, however if as is most likely there is only one, all you are going
to do is build up a big pot that you're only getting half off. A big pot
equals a big rake and you may very well end up out of pocket once the rake
is deducted.
PLO8 is a game where you really want to keep as many people in the hand as
possible rather than chasing them away before they have invested enough to
feel commited to their second best hands.

There is a stark contrast between O8 and HE that I think I just grasped for
the first time. In NL or PL HE, I tend to want to narrow the field when I
have a premium starting hand. From what the general consensus here is, I
don't ever want to do that in O8. It sounds like the only preflop raises I
ever want to make are to build a pot, and ironically, this happens to also
be the case when I play LHE. However, there is still that difference in
that I always want to raise in LHE with AA to build a pot, especially UTG.

Thanks for the post. It was perfectly coherent except one thing. What the
heck is a "shandy"?


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