Re: juiced flops



just to further this:

wouldn't your logic " if 40 cards are being dealt out, and there are fewer
hands that are playable containing an A, wouldnt the reason for that have to
do with the number of cards dealt?" also mean that there are fewer K's, Q's,
J's, T's, 9's, etc.. left in the deck? And if so, doesn't it make sense that
the ratio of the numbers of these cards left in the deck is exactly the same
as if fewer cards were dealt out? I mean, how is it possible to deal out
more A's, percentage wise, in O8 than in hold'em?

Now if you start talking about the actuall playable starting hands of
hold'em vs. O8 that contain an ace, as Mysteri Ace has done, you might be
onto something. IMHO

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doesnt that have to do with the number of cards dealt?

i mean if 40 cards are being dealt out, and there are fewer hands that are
playable containing an A, wouldnt the reason for that have to do with the
number
of cards dealt?

On Feb 21 2006 2:55 PM, MysteriAce wrote:

On Feb 21 2006 12:46 PM, flopdudead wrote:

Ok Gary anything you say.

I am pretty sure that the number of cards dealt out is directly related
to
the
chances that they show up on the flop.

But instead of you insulting people, I welcome you to show me how I am
wrong

It's actually pretty basic.

The reason why aces don't appear on the flop 'as often' in Omaha8
(compared to holdem) is because preflop there are very few playable hands
that don't include an A in them.

In holdem it's not even remotely true. Playable hands come in all ranges
(67s, 88, JT, KK, etc).

So, in Omaha8, when 6 people see the flop, you are unlikely to see an A
on
the flop because most of the aces are (or should be) out in the hands of
the people seeing the flop with them (predominately in hands like A2xx
etc).

It has nothing to do with number of cards dealt, instead, it has
everything to do with the hands people prefer to take a flop with.

On Feb 21 2006 2:40 PM, Gary Carson wrote:




On Feb 21 2006 1:32 PM, flopdudead wrote:


im sure it is a direct result of how many cards are dealt out
before the
flop
in
the two games

I'm sure you're an idiot.

I do think it's true that O/8 flops are less likely to have an ace
than
hold'em
flops, but it has nothing to do with your ignorant fantasy.



10 person HE game = 20 cards preflop. 52 cards in a deck .(47%) of
the
deck
dealt out already. 1 A for every 13 cards.

Omaha. same players = 40 cards preflop = 77% of the deck.

But, in hold'em there are a lot more cards kept under the top 3 on
the
stub so
that they can't show up on the flop. So doesn't that mean that
hold'em
flops
have fewer sevens?





Seriously are you asking this question?

On Feb 21 2006 1:52 PM, jimpepper wrote:


Ja ever notice how often an Ace flops in holdem?
Ever notice how seldom they flop in 08?
Thats so any ace in the hand can build action!
Just an observation.
: )
jim


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