Re: Teaching a total beginner Ring game NLHE

On Dec 12 2005 3:35 PM, David Nicoson wrote:

> ChrisBrown wrote:
> > your pre-session strategy that you outline for her should be geared
> > towards teaching her whatever lesson you believe it is time for her to
> > learn (example to teach her pot odds have her call every draw she can no
> > matter how weak and wait for her to express to you that she thinks this is
> > a bad idea because she's losing her ass off doing so.)
>
> Have you actually done this?

if asking about the 'draw' lesson, no i already understand the concepts.
If asking about the 'play every hand' qiestion, yes I've done that when
learning new forms of poker so that i could see how things work. As for
having my wife do it, no she doesn't like gambling. Anyway the goal is to
start them from the worst possible strategy and refine it. It's my theory
that people develop leaks in their games because they never knew a
potential hole existed in a particular area. I'm thinking of programming
here, but in my experience it has always been much better to write my own
code than to maintain someone else's. Easier to fix too.

Once a person understands the 'whys' it's much easier grasping the
significance of the 'how.'

> What if she keeps hitting?

Then you married the luckiest woman on the planet. Sell the house and
take her to the roulette table.

Eventually she will stop hitting, which is why i said wait for her to
express to you that it's not a great strategy, ask her why she says that
and then explain it to her from the bottom up (how to count outs,
probability, etc.)

> A huge step is learning NOT to think in terms of results.

Not for a beginner. Besides, i don't believe i'm advocating thinking in
terms of results, i'm advocating learning from mistakes. Bad results
will generally come from bad mistakes, which I have the 'expertise' to
identify and explain.

> I can't fathom how dictating her action is somehow less intrusive than
> asking leading questions.

I never knew i was giving advice on how to be less intrusive, I thought i
was giving a strategy for teaching someone how to learn the game via their
own experiences. 'Dictating' her action is only so that she runs into the
problem you want her to see. My entire strategy is based on the premise
that it's better to find the problem on your own than to be given a
solution for a problem you never knew existed. Perhaps she can soak in
the concept of domination and that one should avoid things like playing A5
from the button after 2 tight limpers limp in from EP, but this lesson is
probably going to sink in much faster for a person saying:

"everytime i play ace rag from late position against early position
limpers they have a bigger ace"

than someone who says

"teach me how to play poker"

And the consequences of not following the advice as well as the ability to
apply the concept to other scenarios is much more likly to occur in the
former pupil than the latter.

It's just my opinion that painful experiences are much better teachers
than we or books could ever hope to be.

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