Re: Contradictory info on how to play QJ offsuit in middle position
- From: TeeDot <teedot@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 08 Dec 05 0:20:43 GMT
Assuming it's a limit game -
QJ is a drawing hand that doesn't make a great 1 pair when you hit and can get
picked off by A-rag or even KQ when you try to push the hand through. It looks
good because it's 2 paint cards but the real value is from completing a straight
vs 2 big pair or hitting 2 pair vs TPTK. This happens rarely to make it worth
while in limit.
Unless the guys at the table like Q-x suited or J-x suited, you won't make much
from this hand. This is definitely one of them 'feel' hands. Can you get Ace
high to laydown? Can you get second pair to laydown? Can you tell if your man
is betting with a draw and you raise him on the turn and fire on the river when
he misses? You can't? Then don't play this hand most of the time.
On Dec 7 2005 7:42 PM, David in NYC wrote:
> I have been playing low limit hold 'em for a few years now, relying solely
> on advice given in Lee Jones' Winning Low Limit Hold 'em (which I have read
> and re-read, with some success). Jones suggests only playing QJo in middle
> position if you have 4 or more callers already in the pot. This makes
> intuitive sense, as this strikes me as a drawing hand, and you would want
> to get good pot odds to play it. However, I have just been reading
> "Foolproof", which is a book that synthesizes advice from many different
> authors (including Jones), and it suggests playing this hand in middle
> position only if there are LESS than 4 callers! While I understand that
> different authors will give different advice, I am suprised at this
> absolute contradiction. It would also seem to me that QJo is not nearly
> strong enough to try to thin the field with. The only thing I can think of
> is that it would make sense to thin the field in higher limit games, and
> that is why the advice differs from Jones?
>
> Any insight would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
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