Re: Bad call or bad beat?

On Nov 29 2005 8:33 PM, ragscollector wrote:

> dont worry nut i wasnt offended nor did i find your fucking conceited post
rude
> either ;)
>
> guess this is why they say no two players play the hand the same.  I gues if
i
> was up big on a session i might call off 600 for the pot but I (personally)
> wouldnt want to call off my money on a draw.  I can find a better place to
make
> coin i think, a place where i have more control (other than pot odds) for the
> outcome

right, but its not like calling here will stop you finding these better
spots (ala tournaments)

if you were playing a freezeout against the worst player in the world,
with small blinds, I am sure you could correctly fold, but in a cash game
where you can just reload, I cant see much justification for not playing a
hand where you make money just by saying call. If it was yur last money, I
guess you could.. but if thats the case, you would almost be doomed in any
case.

imagine if the owner of the bellagio said to someone "oh ok man, im not
gonna take your $10k bet on red, I can find bigger edges elsewhere if they
take their money to keno".. you would think that sounded silly I hope...

good cash game players dont make their money on AA vs KK situations, they
make it by continuously accepting generous odds on their bets.

>
> On Nov 29 2005 2:03 PM, thenutlow wrote:
>
> > On Nov 29 2005 7:52 PM, ragscollector wrote:
> >
> > > however, i do believe the flop bet here really fucked things up for our
> > hero. 
> > > He donated 25% of his stack to a 60 dollar pot.    i bet if he pots it or
> > > 3/4
> > > pots it, jhe can 1) get away from this hand now 2) get away from this
hand
> > > now.   but the all in bets seem to be someone protecting a large hand,
and
> > maybe
> > > just maybe the third guy was on a flush draw aswell
> >
> > right, the hand was played pretty terribly from start to finish. That
> > however, wasn't the thrust of my (rather rude.. i apologise) post.
> >
> > > On Nov 29 2005 1:42 PM, thenutlow wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Nov 29 2005 6:42 PM, ragscollector wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 2;5:1 versus 3:1 is marginal as far as the odds go.  But against 2
> > pushers
> > > > you
> > > > > are probably, or might be i should say, way behind and even the flush
> > might
> > > > not
> > > > > be good if the board pairs
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry but i am not going to put my stack in there on nothing but a
naked
> > > > draw. 
> > > > > you have no implied odds here at all
> > > >
> > > > i'm assuming you dont play much cash games, because if you do, your
> > > > outlook is really detrimental to maximising your profit.
> > > >
> > > > > On Nov 29 2005 12:23 PM, DP75089 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Nov 29 2005 9:44 AM, ragscollector wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > this is a terrible call
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > after the flop all you have is a draw and you raised your draw
> > trying to
> > > > > > > take
> > > > > > > the pot down.  Then 2 people move all in on you.  Now you are
> > > > > > > getting
> > > > > > > 3:1
> > > > > > and it
> > > > > > > is pretty obvious that only a flush can lock it up for you  (2:5
to
> > make
> > > > > > that)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bad odds, Bad call.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Huh? He's getting 3:1 pot odds with a 2.5:1 shot to win. You're
> > > > > > opposed
> > > > > > to +EV calls?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why race your money off in a cash game here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Because you can reload in a cash game, making its the best place to
> > race
> > > > > > off your money with favorable odds. The situation would be
different
> > for
> > > > > > a major tourney.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What sucked here was his inadequate pre-flop raise.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - "So she says, "You wanna' be evil?" And I say, "Yeah, baby.
Yeah!
> > > > > > 'Cuz I'm the Midnight Bomber...what bombs at midnight!!!"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "If you think there's anything at all more important in poker than
math,
> > > > you just don't know the right math"
> >
> >
> > "If you think there's anything at all more important in poker than math,
> > you just don't know the right math"


"If you think there's anything at all more important in poker than math,
you just don't know the right math"

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